Possible Ding?

Pulled in to a truck stop to fuel, also had to do a 30 min rest, so I went off duty, fueled my tractor and reefer to full, then went in and used the restroom, went to the Arby's and got some dinner, then back to the truck where I ate part of that dinner.

I let the off duty clock run to about 32 or 35 minutes (I always go a little over because the computer doesn't always sync up properly). Got back in the truck and when the computer clicked back over to drive, it said I had 8 minutes left left until I needed a 30 minute reset.....

I called night dispatch and asked them for advice and to look into it, they say the computer only showed I took 29 minutes of break....he suggested I find a place to stop for another 30 minutes. Well, knight has a no sitting duck policy. If you are caught doing it, it is grounds for termination. So I drove to the next truck stop and as I was approaching the off ramp, I clicked over to no time left and it said I was in violation, I stopped on the off ramp briefly to put myself in to personal conveyance, just to get around the corner to the truck stop.

There is a sliver of red on my log. I tried to fix it by adjusting the time I went off duty backwards by about 2 minutes. Now that is waiting for manager approval. So, I'm wondering if I messed up by trying to adjust it, and if not that, because I got an HOS violation, even though I actually took more than 30 minutes, the log won't show it.

Oddly, when in training, my trainer would be able to adjust his off duty time and never said he needed approval, wonder if this is because it was in conjunction with a drive time violation. Hmm, well see tomorrow I guess.

Pulled in to a truck stop to fuel, also had to do a 30 min rest, so I went off duty, fueled my tractor and reefer to full, then went in and used the restroom, went to the Arby's and got some dinner, then back to the truck where I ate part of that dinner.

I let the off duty clock run to about 32 or 35 minutes (I always go a little over because the computer doesn't always sync up properly). Got back in the truck and when the computer clicked back over to drive, it said I had 8 minutes left left until I needed a 30 minute reset.....

I called night dispatch and asked them for advice and to look into it, they say the computer only showed I took 29 minutes of break....he suggested I find a place to stop for another 30 minutes. Well, knight has a no sitting duck policy. If you are caught doing it, it is grounds for termination. So I drove to the next truck stop and as I was approaching the off ramp, I clicked over to no time left and it said I was in violation, I stopped on the off ramp briefly to put myself in to personal conveyance, just to get around the corner to the truck stop.

There is a sliver of red on my log. I tried to fix it by adjusting the time I went off duty backwards by about 2 minutes. Now that is waiting for manager approval. So, I'm wondering if I messed up by trying to adjust it, and if not that, because I got an HOS violation, even though I actually took more than 30 minutes, the log won't show it.

Oddly, when in training, my trainer would be able to adjust his off duty time and never said he needed approval, wonder if this is because it was in conjunction with a drive time violation. Hmm, well see tomorrow I guess.

Maybe Knight has it rigged so you can't fix a violation. I fixed a violation like that .. but the weird thing is Prime's violation is basically the same warning as the one hour or 30 min warning... it doesn't show red across the graph like my friends company.

You are new so Knight won't or shouldn't make a big deal out of it. I recentlycalled logs to find out if I violated at the customer when I ran out of my 14. They said I did but since I drove less than 5 miles they removed it. Then she told me that most drivers in their first 6 mos have 2 to 10... now I had zero.

Don't get caught by cop tonight haha

Did you move the truck at all during your break? There was a thread a while back where we discussed how the QC works logging this stuff, and it will log you as starting to drive as soon as you move, if you keep driving over 5 minutes. For example, I once moved the truck after 28 minutes of break, then stopped. It still said "Off Duty", and when it reached 30 minutes off duty I started driving, but it remembered that I began moving after 28 minutes and logged me as driving at that time. A way around that is to change it to "Driving" yourself after 30 minutes.

I don't know what your company will think. You could always claim you were correcting the log, and of course it look suspicious to do it after a violation, but it *could* happen. Probably you shouldn't use "personal conveyance" unless that's really what you are doing.

Sorry for the triple post, but I guess what I was getting at is that a minor HOS violation is probably noting, but falsifying logs might be more serious. At least that's the theory I go by, I don't know if it's true or not.

Also, what do you mean by a no "sitting duck" policy?

A couple of points here:

Falsifying logs is illegal and can be prosecuted. With that said if you edit something to adjust a mistake it's not an issue. You cannot however edit any driving time, the systems block that from happening. Point being, with e-logs it's very difficult to fudge something.

Sambo, what happened to you is common but easy to prevent. In the upper right hand corner of you Qualcomm there is an hours counter. When you complete your 30 minute break check this to make sure your remaining hours are restored. What I do as a precaution is display the status panel as soon as I start my break. It will show how much time has accumulated on your break. Once it shows a total of 30, check to see the remaining hours were restored. Check twice before driving away.

The 1 minute violation is only a real problem if DOT reviews your logs. Don't sweat it. Driving for a prolonged period like that, perhaps not and something to avoid in the future.

One other suggestion, don't fuel when logged in as off-duty. Too easy to audit and find a violation. You send a macro in when you have completed fueling. The system knows you did that off duty. Once you send that, then go off duty. Not a big deal I just wouldn't make a regular habit of it.?

Sorry for the triple post, but I guess what I was getting at is that a minor HOS violation is probably noting, but falsifying logs might be more serious. At least that's the theory I go by, I don't know if it's true or not.

Also, what do you mean by a no "sitting duck" policy?

Sitting duck means that we cannot pull off to the side of the road, or on an on or off ramp, unless it's due to a breakdown.

In order to stop, has to be at a rest area or a truck stop, or any area that is off the roadway that is far enough away from the traffic.

The idea is that putting your truck in one of these positions increases the risk of you getting hit by another vehicle.

Sorry for the triple post, but I guess what I was getting at is that a minor HOS violation is probably noting, but falsifying logs might be more serious. At least that's the theory I go by, I don't know if it's true or not.

Also, what do you mean by a no "sitting duck" policy?

Sitting duck means that we cannot pull off to the side of the road, or on an on or off ramp, unless it's due to a breakdown.

In order to stop, has to be at a rest area or a truck stop, or any area that is off the roadway that is far enough away from the traffic.

The idea is that putting your truck in one of these positions increases the risk of you getting hit by another vehicle.

Ah, got it. Yeah, we have the same rule, although I feel like for us it's more of a "cover your butt" for the company than something they strictly enforce.