8/2 Split.... Please Help!

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Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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::::bangs head against wall:::: Brett can we please a bangs head icon??? Lol

The above appears contradictory and confusing to people trying to understand it.

You do NOT need to take the 8 hour first. The 2 hour break DOES affect your clocks even if taken first...the end of the first break, regardless of which is taken first is the starting point for the "new" or "recalculated" 14 clock. Whether using the word "new" or using the word "recalculated" ..it's the same. Werner above knew exactly what he was taking about...verbage is not important.

And saying "nothing is paused if you take the 2hr first" is incorrect/confusing because the 8 sleeper as the second break pauses the 14.

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You and I argue like divorcees.

If you take the 2 hour break FIRST - no clocks are paused or recalculated - UNTIL YOU COMPLETE THE SECOND (8 hour) BREAK.

At which point both clocks are recalculated (reset) from the end of the first (2 hour) break - with the 14 hour clock paused for the 8 hour break.

Example:

You drive 5 hours, and take a 2 hour break (sleeper or off duty). At the end of the 2 hour break, you have 6 hours left on your 11 clock (11-5) & 7 on your 14 clock - 14-(5+2) - because your 14 clock does not pause during the 2 hour break.

Your drive 5 more hours - and stop to take 8 hours in the sleeper (must be logged as SLEEPER to complete the split). BEFORE you take the 8 hours (when you stopped for your break) - you have 1 hour left on your 11 hour clock, and 2 hours left on your 14. You drove 10 hours total (5+5), and your 14 clock didn't pause during the 2 hour break - so you ran your 14 hour clock for 12 hours - (5+2+5)

After completing your (2nd) 8 hrs in sleeper you have completed the split - your clocks recalculate (reset) to the end of the FIRST (2 hour) break.

Since your 14 hour clock PAUSED during the 8 hour break - the only time that counts towards your clock(s) are the 5 hours you used AFTER THE FIRST BREAK.

So at the end of the 8 hours in the sleeper (and your clocks reset to the end of the first break) - you have 6 hours left on your 11 hour clock (11-5 - that being the 5 hours you drove AFTER the first break) and 9 hours left on your 14 (14-5 - that being the 5 hours you drove AFTER your first break, since your 14 clock froze during the 8 hour sleeper break).

Did I do that right Rainy?

Rick

But divorcees have no love for each other. I loooovvvvee my forum mate.

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Rick S.'s Comment
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If you took an 8 hour break, drove .5 hours, then took a 2 hour break to complete the split your clocks would read 10:30 on your 11 & 11:30 on your 14.

The 2 hour break time comes off the 14 along with the drive time.

I am honestly pretty sure this is NOT correct.

According to the regs (49 CFR 395.1 - 3) - the only thing that pauses the 14 hour clock is an 8 hour break - the only thing that resets both clocks to zero is a 10 hour break.

Reading the rules themselves, are incredibly vague and confusing. I mean REALLY CONFUSING.

Part 395 - Hours of Service

If I didn't work for lawyers and spend a great deal of time researching firearms laws and other stuff, I would read a paragraph and reach for the Advil.

The Trucking Truth CDL Training Program, also indicates that the 14 hour clock doesn't stop during the 2 hour break.

"The other separate rest period must be at least 2 consecutive hours long. This rest period may be spent in the sleeper berth , off duty, or sleeper berth and off duty combined. This 2 hour period will count against the 14 hour on duty limit."

This goes along with 395.1 A:

(C) Calculation of the 14-hour period in §395.3(a)(2) includes all time—or, for calculation of the 20-hour period in §395.1(h)(1)(ii) for drivers in Alaska, all on-duty time—except any sleeper-berth period of at least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours and up to 2 hours riding in the passenger seat of a property-carrying vehicle moving on the highway immediately before or after a period of at least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth; compliance must be recalculated from the end of the first of the two periods used to comply with the requirements of paragraph (g)(1)(ii)(A) of this section.

So - from everything I'm reading - both here on TT and on the FMCSR's - the 2 hour break DOES COUNT towards the 14 hours - UNLESS - you take the 2 hour break FIRST - where the clocks RECALCULATE FROM THE END OF THE FIRST BREAK.

Taking the 2 hour break as the SECOND BREAK (to complete the split) - the 2 hours DOES COUNT towards the 14 hours.

Rick

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Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Sleeper Berth:

The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.

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The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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Now you are confused.

He stated it correctly...and the exact same you just did. Again...he is using different terminology.

30 min of drive time would be deducted from his 11 drive clock. 2.5 hours would be deducted from the 14 clock. By his statement he DID include the 2 hour break in his 14 as being "not paused".

I want the bangs head button seriously lol

Rick S.'s Comment
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Now you are confused.

He stated it correctly...and the exact same you just did. Again...he is using different terminology.

30 min of drive time would be deducted from his 11 drive clock. 2.5 hours would be deducted from the 14 clock. By his statement he DID include the 2 hour break in his 14 as being "not paused".

I want the bangs head button seriously lol

Yup.

Apologies Isaac.

Rick

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