8/2 Split.... Please Help!

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Rick S.'s Comment
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Now - to make this example CONFUSING (LOL).

So - you stopped and took an 8 hour split break IN THE SLEEPER (logging it as SLEEPER) - with 4:15 on your 11 & 5:09 on your 14.

When you finish the 8 hours in the sleeper - you still have 4:15 on your 11 & 5:09 on your 14 (14 hour clock gets paused).

You drive to the appointment for 1/2 hour (since it's only 12 miles), and then go Off Duty when you get there.

You now have 3:45 on your 11 & 4:39 on your 14.

You STAY OFF DUTY for 2 hours at the appointment, and at that point, you have completed the 8/2 split.

Both your clocks (11 & 14) RESET, to the end of the 8 hour split. So, if you only used 1/2 hour AFTER you took the split - your clocks now have:

10:30 on your 11 & 13:30 on your 14.

So basically - you get back ALL YOUR CLOCK(s), except what you used AFTER YOU FINISHED your first (8 hour) break.

This is good - because it gets you to your appointment on time - and after you finish your 2nd break (2 hours), you still have pretty much a full day left to continue on your merry way.

QC's that allow for split sleeper, will calculate this for you automatically. Even if your appoint took LESS THAN 2 HOURS (drop and hook), I'd still sit until that 2 hour mark - to finish the split and reset my clocks.

Rick

Drop And Hook:

Drop and hook means the driver will drop one trailer and hook to another one.

In order to speed up the pickup and delivery process a driver may be instructed to drop their empty trailer and hook to one that is already loaded, or drop their loaded trailer and hook to one that is already empty. That way the driver will not have to wait for a trailer to be loaded or unloaded.

Han Solo Cup (aka, Pablo)'s Comment
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Rick, finally... this might be the best explanation of the 8/2 split. Thanks.

LDRSHIP's Comment
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We can really confuse and talk about doing as a 2/8 or even rolling split breaks. Rainey is fond of rolling split sleepers for some reason. A rolling split sleepers is just going back and forth between 8hr sleeper and 2hr off duty. Just complicates your trip planning. But, I am sure if someone does it that way, they can make themselves almost feel like there a trucker from an earlier set of rules. LoL

Werner N.'s Comment
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Hi guys. I am in a bind. I don't have ten hours before I have to unload in the morning. How can I do the 8/2 split? I can't be late. Please help! Thank you!

Taking 8 or more hours in sleeperberth makes all the sleeper berth time on that 8+ hours not count agisnt your 14.

The new 14 hour clock starts from the last time you had 2 hours or more off duty or in sleeper, but remember th that the 8+hours in sleeper still don't count against your 14

Sleeper Berth:

The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.

Rick S.'s Comment
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Taking 8 or more hours in sleeperberth makes all the sleeper berth time on that 8+ hours not count against your 14.

True this - ANY TIME you take 8 or more hours in sleeper - your 14 hour clock is PAUSED. Conversely - if you take 10 or more hours - either OFF DUTY OR SLEEPER - both your 10 & 14 hour clocks are RESET TO ZERO at the end of 10 hours.

The new 14 hour clock starts from the last time you had 2 hours or more off duty or in sleeper, but remember th that the 8+hours in sleeper still don't count against your 14

"New 14 hour clock"? The only way to get a "fresh totally reset" 14 hour clock - is to take 10 or more hours.

The 2 hour break has ZERO EFFECT ON YOUR CLOCKS - unless you already took the 8 hour sleeper FIRST.

Your 14 hour clock, is paused ONLY if you take 8 hours IN THE SLEEPER (not OFF DUTY, but SLEEPER). If you take the 2 hour break of a split FIRST - then NOTHING IS PAUSED. Clocks are RECALCULATED (not reset or new) from the time of the END OF THE FIRST BREAK.

This really isn't all that confusing (as much as we make it appear so).

So if you take an 8 hour sleeper FIRST - then take a two hour OFF DUTY/SLEEPER at some point in the remaining 11/14 for that day - your clocks are RECALCULATED - using the time at the END OF THE FIRST BREAK, as the "start time" for both clocks. But you MUST COMPLETE THE 2ND BREAK, for this to occur.

So if you drive/were on duty for 8 hours, AFTER the first break (for example - assuming you had that much time left or your ORIGINAL CLOCKS), then took a 2 hour break to complete the split - you would count that 8 hours towards your 11/14 hour clocks - leaving you 3 hours on your 11 hour clock, and 6 on your 14.

The example at the top of this page - is the perfect example of how the driver in the situation originally posted, could use the split-sleeper to make an appointment on time - which would have been impossible had they taken a 10 hour break to reset both clocks.

Rick

Sleeper Berth:

The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.

Kammy R.'s Comment
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Rick, your explanation was perfect and that is exactly what I did. Thank you all so much for your help!

Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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We can really confuse and talk about doing as a 2/8 or even rolling split breaks. Rainey is fond of rolling split sleepers for some reason. A rolling split sleepers is just going back and forth between 8hr sleeper and 2hr off duty. Just complicates your trip planning. But, I am sure if someone does it that way, they can make themselves almost feel like there a trucker from an earlier set of rules. LoL

My FM knows I know how to do it. Therefore I tend to get loads with appointment times some drivers can't make.

Also, I count the 2+ hours of getting loaded/unloaded towards my split which means I sometimes get more further. When I'm tired or sick, the rolling splits help cause I can drive 4-5 hours then break, then 4-5 hours then break. Being a woman, I sometimes need personal time more often...and this helps.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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Rick.said:

The 2 hour break has ZERO EFFECT ON YOUR CLOCKS - unless you already took the 8 hour sleeper FIRST.

If you take the 2 hour break of a split FIRST - then NOTHING IS PAUSED. Clocks are RECALCULATED (not reset or new) from the time of the END OF THE FIRST BREAK.

::::bangs head against wall:::: Brett can we please a bangs head icon??? Lol

The above appears contradictory and confusing to people trying to understand it.

You do NOT need to take the 8 hour first. The 2 hour break DOES affect your clocks even if taken first...the end of the first break, regardless of which is taken first is the starting point for the "new" or "recalculated" 14 clock. Whether using the word "new" or using the word "recalculated" ..it's the same. Werner above knew exactly what he was taking about...verbage is not important.

And saying "nothing is paused if you take the 2hr first" is incorrect/confusing because the 8 sleeper as the second break pauses the 14.

Rick S.'s Comment
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::::bangs head against wall:::: Brett can we please a bangs head icon??? Lol

The above appears contradictory and confusing to people trying to understand it.

You do NOT need to take the 8 hour first. The 2 hour break DOES affect your clocks even if taken first...the end of the first break, regardless of which is taken first is the starting point for the "new" or "recalculated" 14 clock. Whether using the word "new" or using the word "recalculated" ..it's the same. Werner above knew exactly what he was taking about...verbage is not important.

And saying "nothing is paused if you take the 2hr first" is incorrect/confusing because the 8 sleeper as the second break pauses the 14.

You and I argue like divorcees.

If you take the 2 hour break FIRST - no clocks are paused or recalculated - UNTIL YOU COMPLETE THE SECOND (8 hour) BREAK.

At which point both clocks are recalculated (reset) from the end of the first (2 hour) break - with the 14 hour clock paused for the 8 hour break.

Example:

You drive 5 hours, and take a 2 hour break (sleeper or off duty). At the end of the 2 hour break, you have 6 hours left on your 11 clock (11-5) & 7 on your 14 clock - 14-(5+2) - because your 14 clock does not pause during the 2 hour break.

Your drive 5 more hours - and stop to take 8 hours in the sleeper (must be logged as SLEEPER to complete the split). BEFORE you take the 8 hours (when you stopped for your break) - you have 1 hour left on your 11 hour clock, and 2 hours left on your 14. You drove 10 hours total (5+5), and your 14 clock didn't pause during the 2 hour break - so you ran your 14 hour clock for 12 hours - (5+2+5)

After completing your (2nd) 8 hrs in sleeper you have completed the split - your clocks recalculate (reset) to the end of the FIRST (2 hour) break.

Since your 14 hour clock PAUSED during the 8 hour break - the only time that counts towards your clock(s) are the 5 hours you used AFTER THE FIRST BREAK.

So at the end of the 8 hours in the sleeper (and your clocks reset to the end of the first break) - you have 6 hours left on your 11 hour clock (11-5 - that being the 5 hours you drove AFTER the first break) and 9 hours left on your 14 (14-5 - that being the 5 hours you drove AFTER your first break, since your 14 clock froze during the 8 hour sleeper break).

Did I do that right Rainy?

Rick

Isaac H.'s Comment
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If you took an 8 hour break, drove .5 hours, then took a 2 hour break to complete the split your clocks would read 10:30 on your 11 & 11:30 on your 14.

The 2 hour break time comes off the 14 along with the drive time.

Both your clocks (11 & 14) RESET, to the end of the 8 hour split. So, if you only used 1/2 hour AFTER you took the split - your clocks now have:

10:30 on your 11 & 13:30 on your 14.

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