Dealing With The DMV

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Chuck 's Comment
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So I am enjoying some home time and trying to get some things done before going out with the finisher and hit a snag with the DMV today. So somehow the PA DMV does not have my test scores in there system for some reason. I contacted the school and they confirmed they sent the scores when they were completed, plus each time you test they are sent pass or fail. The school checked with the Missouri DMV and they can even see the test scores they submitted so why is it that the PA DMV cannot see them. I was told that they had scores from the 16th of April but nothing after that. I cannot figure out why they see failed scores but no passing scores. So now I am waiting until Thursday for the DMV to contact me to let me know if the issue is corrected. Nothing like waiting on the DMV to fix their own screw up! So even though I am not to be ready to roll until May 6th this is not something I needed trying to prepare for my road time. Plus they will not let me take my Hazmat test until I actually have a CDL , which I do considering I passed and have carbon copies of my scores but they cannot take those. So trying to take the Hazmat so I can proceed with the fingerprinting and clearances that go along with them cannot be done until this is corrected. I was hoping that when I completed my miles with the finisher and upgraded I could come home to get all my credentials and get back on the road. I thought being proactive is a good thing and yet I am at the mercy of the DMV.....Can anyone say irritating??

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Chuck 's Comment
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So this is a unwanted update to my issue. Apparently neither I or the school realized this at the time when I was there that in PA an individual can only take each segment on the CDL testing exam 3 times before you have to apply for a new permit so all the other testing I did after I passed was pointless. I have to apply for a new PA CDL permit all over again. WHY does this have to happen to me while I am sitting here waiting for people to give me answers from the DMV that really DO NOT give a ratsass about anything. I wasted my time at the DMV on Tuesday when they should have been able to tell me that then instead of making me wait two whole days to just have someone on the phone at the DMV in Harrisburg rudely tell me that I have to reapply all over again. So now all that work and time spent was for nothing. Now I am waiting for CFI to see if there is anything they can do when they talk with the school. I feel like such a FAILURE!!!! I have been doing everything I was told to do up to this point and it has just caused more stress and aggravation when if the correct information would have just been relayed at the time I wouldn't have wasted time sitting here waiting. If there is anytime that someone would just feel like giving up it is NOW!!!

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Retired Army (soon)'s Comment
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Chuck

As we all know, if it was easy everyone would do it...and while I am sure the easy answer is to quit, but you seem to eager to do that. So I guess the question I have is, do they have you passing scores, or do you have to retake portions of the permit? I hope it is as simple as going in and applying for your permit.

Best of Luck.

Old School's Comment
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Can anyone say irritating??
I feel like such a FAILURE!!!!
If there is anytime that someone would just feel like giving up it is NOW!!!

Chuck, I feel ya Brutha!

One of the things you're going to be dealing with constantly out here on the road is frustration. There are going to be times when it seems like your dispatcher doesn't know what they're doing. At times you're going to be thinking your company is screwing you over. You're going to have thoughts that you should quit, or that you never should have started this career. There will be times when you're convinced you made the wrong choice of companies to start with. This whole industry is filled with frustrated people. Just do a search on YouTube for Trucking, and you will find them by the hundreds of thousands.

You have got to start now to be in control of your emotions, your thoughts, and your reactions. Probably you're not familiar with my foray into trucking. It was brutal. Brett himself thought I was going to give up and become one of the moaners and groaners. I survived a five month long ordeal of going to orientations and being rejected and sent home for various reasons. Today, I can write my own ticket to any company I'd like to work for.

Step back, take a deep breath and keep working on this. You hit a disappointing snag for sure, but you've got a lot bigger challenges ahead. Brace yourself. The road to the top is never easy. Challenges will come and go, but Winners and Victors never ease up. They face their troubles with a sly grin that says, "I'm about to kick your butt, and make you enjoy it while I'm at it."

Hang in there - you can handle this.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Dispatcher:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Chuck 's Comment
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Yeah well the problem is that the DMV gives me a different answer every time I speak to them so I constantly feel like I am getting the run around each question I ask on what I can do to fix it. No one person can seem to give me a definitive answer on how I can correct this problem and right now I am at a standstill until someone can give me one. I even contacted my state representative to see if they can help since they are an elected official. I also contacted the school but they do not know if they can even test me again since I have passing scores in the system in Missouri so why would I need to retake tests again when I already passed. But of course the PA DMV has to be difficult when it comes to this stuff and claim they do not see any of my scores after 4/11/18 yet will not give me my CDL even though I have carbon copies of my scores. Those are useless according to the DMV yet the school tells me that I would need them when I went to the DMV. So let me say that I do not want to quit but one cannot blame someone feeling like they should. I mean if I cannot tell people my problems with things like this then who can I tell. I seem to get the maybe you don't want to to do this in the first place because there are always going to be issues when trucking. Personally I know that but comments like that are not helpful. Some ideas on how this can be solved would be better than telling me something I already know and understand. I just want to work and get to where I need to so that I can do that.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Retired Army (soon)'s Comment
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Chuck

When you have gone to the dmv , and keep getting the run around, have you asked to speak with a supervisor or anyone other than the clerk at the window?

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Old School's Comment
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Chuck, I'm sorry to put it this way. You are acting like a child who can't get his way. You're throwing a temper tantrum.

I read your posts carefully and the Pennsylvania DMV told you what you need to do. You just didn't like what they had to say, so you're wasting your time and energy blowing off steam when you ought to have your butt down there reapplying for another permit.

According to your home state's rules you took too many tries to pass. Put on your Big Boy pants and get this behind you. We all have to play by the rules. Some of us just have some screwball rules we have to deal with. You've wasted a lot of energy on trying to circumvent what they told you. It's not helping you, it's hurting you.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Chuck 's Comment
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Chuck, I'm sorry to put it this way. You are acting like a child who can't get his way. You're throwing a temper tantrum.

I read your posts carefully and the Pennsylvania DMV told you what you need to do. You just didn't like what they had to say, so you're wasting your time and energy blowing off steam when you ought to have your butt down there reapplying for another permit.

According to your home state's rules you took too many tries to pass. Put on your Big Boy pants and get this behind you. We all have to play by the rules. Some of us just have some screwball rules we have to deal with. You've wasted a lot of energy on trying to circumvent what they told you. It's not helping you, it's hurting you.

First of all I have gotten a new permit already but that was after I wrote this comment because no one had told me that I needed to do so. I also have done everything that they recommended up to this point. I am not whining either, I thought that if someone else had the same issue then maybe they could give some tips to solve it. Not chastise me and tell me to suck it up as if I am whining. What's the point of having this site for questions and answers if I cannot get them without people telling me that I am whining and not doing anything to try and fix my problem when I have spent the past week on the phone with the employer, school and the DMV. I do not have a problem playing by the rules, but when the rules change each time I speak with someone it is kind of hard to not be frustrated.

So I guess from now on I will just not post any issues on here and keep them to myself since getting any helpful comments is too much for some.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Big T's Comment
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DMV is a frustrating part of the job. Sometimes they make mistakes, or the school makes mistakes, but unfortunately you dance to their tune.

When I quit driving OTR to raise my son I started driving school buses. I dropped my hazmat endorsement when I added the passenger and school bus endorsement. Oregon suspended my license because I did not have a current background check. When I told DMV I didn't need to do the background check since I didn't have the endorsement I was asked to provide proof. I told her to look at my license in her hand and see if it had the endorsement.

Long story to point out that yes things get screwed up out here sometimes. I could have quit when I got sent home for high blood sugar, or when I had to send off for a copy of my birth certificate which was supposed to take 6 to 10 weeks to process, but I didn't.

It sounds like you have done what you can do and now you have to wait. That four letter word in trucking. Remember though going forward you are going to be waiting on lots of things that will have little to do with your actions.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Old School's Comment
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So I guess from now on I will just not post any issues on here and keep them to myself since getting any helpful comments is too much for some.

Actually, I've given you some very helpful advice. You're so thinskinned and absorbed in your self pity that you wouldn't recognize good advice if it punched you in the nose.

Here's my final "helpful comment" for ya. Figure out how to leave your passive aggressive nature at home while you're on the road. It's probably the real reason you're having trouble getting good information from the DMV. It's going to be your weak spot out here when trying to learn to be successful at this.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

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