Limited Endorsements In CA Permit Application

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Spaceman Spiff's Comment
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This was a point I should have researched earlier but until 2 weeks ago I had solid plans to move to the Boise area (hey Todd Groves) however the housing market is leaning back into a buyer's market just as we listed in December. Now I am going to test for a CA permit to go to Prime SLC but today on the DMV website I was informed that tanker was the only endorsement allowed on a CDL permit here.

I suppose this isn't a huge issue but can't recall anyone else bringing this up. Am I missing something in the fine print for doubles/triples, hazmat etc?

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Doubles:

Refers to pulling two trailers at the same time, otherwise known as "pups" or "pup trailers" because they're only about 28 feet long. However there are some states that allow doubles that are each 48 feet in length.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

CK's Comment
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I just got my CA CDL permit. Class A includes General Knowledge, Airbrakes and Combination Vehicles. Then, you can add on doubles/triples, passengers, and hazmat. Out the door was like $74 I believe, and that included my Class M1.

I got surprised with having to retake the 18 question cat driving test and my 25 question motorcycle test since I was getting my Real ID with the CDL so, when I get my CDL, it will meet those new federal requirements.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Combination Vehicle:

A vehicle with two separate parts - the power unit (tractor) and the trailer. Tractor-trailers are considered combination vehicles.

Doubles:

Refers to pulling two trailers at the same time, otherwise known as "pups" or "pup trailers" because they're only about 28 feet long. However there are some states that allow doubles that are each 48 feet in length.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
CK's Comment
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Oops, I left out tanker. You can add Tanker as well, which Prime requires.

Spaceman Spiff's Comment
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Well I tried to panic button Brett not to approve this mere minutes after submitting and feeling energized for the wave of good information and intelligent humor that would soon abound...but I guess my panic button doesn't work.

Yes I found my answer. Yes I feel dumb.

Since its up, maybe somebody else will have their question answered though:

Testing for endorsements along the CDL permit test is up to your state which endorsements are applicable at the permit stage. CA only allows tanker, school bus and passenger. Check your state's DMV information page.

Zounds...

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Spaceman Spiff's Comment
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I just got my CA CDL permit. Class A includes General Knowledge, Airbrakes and Combination Vehicles. Then, you can add on doubles/triples, passengers, and hazmat. Out the door was like $74 I believe, and that included my Class M1.

I got surprised with having to retake the 18 question cat driving test and my 25 question motorcycle test since I was getting my Real ID with the CDL so, when I get my CDL, it will meet those new federal requirements.

Well this is great news, as the DMV website specifically spells out that I can only get the 3 I mentioned previous. Strange place, the internet.

Thanks for some truth, I needed that.

Those REAL IDs are causing mass wait times I've heard. Making sure to apply for everything in that format while I am there.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Combination Vehicle:

A vehicle with two separate parts - the power unit (tractor) and the trailer. Tractor-trailers are considered combination vehicles.

Doubles:

Refers to pulling two trailers at the same time, otherwise known as "pups" or "pup trailers" because they're only about 28 feet long. However there are some states that allow doubles that are each 48 feet in length.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Dave Reid's Comment
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Something else to consider - when you go back to upgrade your permit to a full CDL , you've got another opportunity to add the endorsements. If you get everything together to do that, you'll then have a license with all endorsements and thus won't have to pay fees for changing the license later.

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I just got my CA CDL permit. Class A includes General Knowledge, Airbrakes and Combination Vehicles. Then, you can add on doubles/triples, passengers, and hazmat. Out the door was like $74 I believe, and that included my Class M1.

I got surprised with having to retake the 18 question cat driving test and my 25 question motorcycle test since I was getting my Real ID with the CDL so, when I get my CDL, it will meet those new federal requirements.

double-quotes-end.png

Well this is great news, as the DMV website specifically spells out that I can only get the 3 I mentioned previous. Strange place, the internet.

Thanks for some truth, I needed that.

Those REAL IDs are causing mass wait times I've heard. Making sure to apply for everything in that format while I am there.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Combination Vehicle:

A vehicle with two separate parts - the power unit (tractor) and the trailer. Tractor-trailers are considered combination vehicles.

Doubles:

Refers to pulling two trailers at the same time, otherwise known as "pups" or "pup trailers" because they're only about 28 feet long. However there are some states that allow doubles that are each 48 feet in length.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
CK's Comment
member avatar

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I just got my CA CDL permit. Class A includes General Knowledge, Airbrakes and Combination Vehicles. Then, you can add on doubles/triples, passengers, and hazmat. Out the door was like $74 I believe, and that included my Class M1.

I got surprised with having to retake the 18 question cat driving test and my 25 question motorcycle test since I was getting my Real ID with the CDL so, when I get my CDL, it will meet those new federal requirements.

double-quotes-end.png

Well this is great news, as the DMV website specifically spells out that I can only get the 3 I mentioned previous. Strange place, the internet.

Thanks for some truth, I needed that.

Those REAL IDs are causing mass wait times I've heard. Making sure to apply for everything in that format while I am there.

I was in and out in two hours. Each office is different in terms of speed, I went to the one in Fullerton. When I got my M1 I went to Murrieta and waited over 5 hours.

We're probably going to have to get a new Real ID because of how the CA DMV was caught issuing over a million Real IDs to people who were ineligible for them... but that's CA for you.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Combination Vehicle:

A vehicle with two separate parts - the power unit (tractor) and the trailer. Tractor-trailers are considered combination vehicles.

Doubles:

Refers to pulling two trailers at the same time, otherwise known as "pups" or "pup trailers" because they're only about 28 feet long. However there are some states that allow doubles that are each 48 feet in length.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Spaceman Spiff's Comment
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I'm amazed CA hasn't closed that loophole on fees, Dave, but that's brilliant.

All in all, it seems less than $100 for sure to get sorted out one way or another. This is a far cry from the registration of an out of state vehicle cost when I initially moved here in 2013 ($1535 for a Civic).

Back to the HRTP

Robert D. (Raptor)'s Comment
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I took all the tests for my CLP. Tanker, D/T, GENERAL KNOWLEDGE, class c, class m, Air Brakes, Hazmat (had to wait on CDL), the only one I did not get was the passenger edorsement. I don't think it's legal to throw passengers out the window if they get testy. shocked.pngrofl-3.gif

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

CLP:

Commercial Learner's Permit

Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.

Dave Reid's Comment
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I took all the tests for my CLP. Tanker, D/T, GENERAL KNOWLEDGE, class c, class m, Air Brakes, Hazmat (had to wait on CDL), the only one I did not get was the passenger edorsement. I don't think it's legal to throw passengers out the window if they get testy. shocked.pngrofl-3.gif

No, that is considered to be against public policy rofl-2.gif , and one of the reasons we become truckers instead of bus drivers - no biological cargo.

I assume then that you didn't get the school bus endorsement either....tossing kids out the window is really frowned upon rofl-1.gif

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

CLP:

Commercial Learner's Permit

Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.

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