SAP Program

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Mike R.'s Comment
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Hey guys, after driving for 7 years I failed a random for THC. The company I worked for is a major carrier and never gave me SAP information that was supposed to be provided to me by the employer. I called their HR department and they told me I can just google it to get a certified SAP program. She then told me that I would never be hired by a legitimate trucking company ever again. My question therefore would be this...Is this true, and why would I fork out the cash to enter a SAP program?

Just some added information, I am 52 years old and have never had a positive test for drugs or been cited for any drug related offenses. I was taking CBD oil that had THC in it. I was told that the THC in the oil for miniscule and it was working for me for sleep. Yes, this was stupid on my part. Also, my driving record is clean other than speeding going down i70 west of the Eisenhauer tunnel in Colorado. 56 in a 45 (truck speed limit). No preventable accidents or any other offenses in my private vehicle.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

PackRat's Comment
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Yes, you will need to attend a SAP program on your dime. After successfully completing this, you can start all over again trying to get hired by a company. The reason? Insurance companies will require this because you showed extremely poor judgment, therefore you are a huge liability in their judgement.

I take a 5 mg melatonin tablet on rare occasions to help me sleep.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Rick S.'s Comment
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Why indeed?

Because you will NEVER HAVE A SHOT at driving a CMV again - until you complete a SAP.

As in NEVER HAVE A SHOT - as it is a FMCSA REQUIREMENT. Technically - by regulation - a company cannot even consider hiring you, if you are pending a SAP after a positive drug screen.

Your length of experience works in your favor - as opposed to walking in as a trainee, and dropping hot at orientation. Dropping a hot at orientation and you can pretty much forget about ever working.

You might find a small company to hire you - AFTER COMPLETING SAP.

Someone from here contacted me on FB recently (as I really don't come on that often), that dropped a hot THC (from something he supposedly ate at a family BBQ) and completed SAP. He's currently driving container out of JAX - so he got someone to hire him for local. He's applied for OTR and has been turned down. But keeping a clean track record, he may be able to get back into OTR after a few years.

Now - not being judgemental or lecturing YOU in particular. But this should be demonstrative to ANYONE READING, that even things with a miniscule risk of exposure (like CDB oil with supposedly "miniscule amounts of THC") can be potentially career ending. The proliferation of edibles, and people adding weed products into cookies/etc. - makes that cookie you ate at the family cookout a potential career ender.

And for better or worse - THC stays in your system the longest and tends to be "cumulative" with exposure. The more/longer you're exposed (for example - miniscule amounts in CBD oil), the more likely you are to drop hot from it.

Even if Weed were recreationally legalized tomorrow - very unlikely that people in "federally regulated safety sensitive positions", are going to be allowed to partake.

Waves to all...

Rick

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

CMV:

Commercial Motor Vehicle

A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:

  • Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
  • Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
  • Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
  • Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
  • Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Mike R.'s Comment
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Thank you for your input guys. Sounds to me like I should go after a new avenue while I have some savings. I'm just trying to get an idea which way to go so I dont waste time...Thank you for taking the time.

JakeBreak's Comment
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Even if Weed were recreationally legalized tomorrow - very unlikely that people in "federally regulated safety sensitive positions", are going to be allowed to partake.

Waves to all...

Rick

The FMCSA has already said even if it does become legal, it will alway be illegal for drivers. They will put it on the same list as Chantix, cant drive with it in your system.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
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