CDL Training - Homeowner / Builder, No Job

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Woody D.'s Comment
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Hi, I'm a recently retired homeowner / builder, I just bought an excavator and dump truck to develop my own property. I don't intend to become a professional truck driver or go into the construction business, but I will need to obtain a CDL to drive my truck. I'll also mention I live in Juneau, Alaska... I'm looking at CDL training programs, both online resources and schools. There is CDL training available right here in Juneau, but it's expensive.

Given my limited interest and needs, I'm thinking about using an inexpensive private CDL school to obtain the hands on training (after obtaining my CLP , using online studies). As I don't intend to pursue a commercial driving career, I don't see company-sponsored training as an option. Any advice from Those Who Know Better, would this be the right move for me?

Going beyond the CDL training, we all know what will happen... friends and acquaintances will eventually ask me to bring my equipment to help them out with their projects. Another aspect of this venture has occurred to me... whether I should get a LLC business license? If I eventually want to accept small jobs, hauling and dumping stuff, maybe even doing some excavation work, I would certainly want to be compensated for time and use of my equipment, and also limit my liability. Is this something I need to be considering ahead of time, or can I just focus on my own stuff for now and worry about it later?

Thanks for any advice, Woody

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Company-sponsored Training:

A Company-Sponsored Training Program is a school that is owned and operated by a trucking company.

The schooling often requires little or no money up front. Instead of paying up-front tuition you will sign an agreement to work for the company for a specified amount of time after graduation, usually around a year, at a slightly lower rate of pay in order to pay for the training.

If you choose to quit working for the company before your year is up, they will normally require you to pay back a prorated amount of money for the schooling. The amount you pay back will be comparable to what you would have paid if you went to an independently owned school.

Company-sponsored training can be an excellent way to get your career underway if you can't afford the tuition up front for private schooling.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

CLP:

Commercial Learner's Permit

Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.

Bobcat_Bob's Comment
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I would say to call insurance companies and see what they say about insurance. Generally speaking insuring a CDL required vehicle to someone with no experience is incredibly expensive.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Keith S.'s Comment
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Hi Woody. As far as the LLC. that will help with the liability problem if you decide to hire out. Not to mentions protections from friends, remember business is business. I would also look at insurance million/million or more just for c.y.a.. It's not to expensive, and just because you can't see what's in the ground, locators fail/ghost sometimes. Good luck to you. Keith

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Woody D.'s Comment
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I would say to call insurance companies and see what they say about insurance. Generally speaking insuring a CDL required vehicle to someone with no experience is incredibly expensive.

Yep, already working on that... and you're right, insurance will be expensive. This whole thing I'm doing is expensive, but it's all going to cost less than hiring someone else to do all the dirt work on my property.

Regardless of all that, the posted questions remain... would it be advisable to use an inexpensive private CDL school for training, and would it be wise to obtain a LLC business license?

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Woody D.'s Comment
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Hi Woody. As far as the LLC. that will help with the liability problem if you decide to hire out. Not to mentions protections from friends, remember business is business. I would also look at insurance million/million or more just for c.y.a.. It's not to expensive, and just because you can't see what's in the ground, locators fail/ghost sometimes. Good luck to you. Keith

Thanks, Keith... appreciate that advice. I remember the first time I ran an excavator, digging a french drain near my house... cut the water line. Of course it was a Sunday, had to interrupt the city water guy's football watching. The "uh-oh" wasn't too expensive, fortunately.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Auggie69's Comment
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Hi, I'm a recently retired homeowner / builder, I just bought an excavator and dump truck to develop my own property. I don't intend to become a professional truck driver or go into the construction business, but I will need to obtain a CDL to drive my truck. I'll also mention I live in Juneau, Alaska... I'm looking at CDL training programs, both online resources and schools. There is CDL training available right here in Juneau, but it's expensive.

Given my limited interest and needs, I'm thinking about using an inexpensive private CDL school to obtain the hands on training (after obtaining my CLP , using online studies). As I don't intend to pursue a commercial driving career, I don't see company-sponsored training as an option. Any advice from Those Who Know Better, would this be the right move for me?

Going beyond the CDL training, we all know what will happen... friends and acquaintances will eventually ask me to bring my equipment to help them out with their projects. Another aspect of this venture has occurred to me... whether I should get a LLC business license? If I eventually want to accept small jobs, hauling and dumping stuff, maybe even doing some excavation work, I would certainly want to be compensated for time and use of my equipment, and also limit my liability. Is this something I need to be considering ahead of time, or can I just focus on my own stuff for now and worry about it later?

Thanks for any advice, Woody

Can you use the farm exemption and not bother to get a CDL?

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Company-sponsored Training:

A Company-Sponsored Training Program is a school that is owned and operated by a trucking company.

The schooling often requires little or no money up front. Instead of paying up-front tuition you will sign an agreement to work for the company for a specified amount of time after graduation, usually around a year, at a slightly lower rate of pay in order to pay for the training.

If you choose to quit working for the company before your year is up, they will normally require you to pay back a prorated amount of money for the schooling. The amount you pay back will be comparable to what you would have paid if you went to an independently owned school.

Company-sponsored training can be an excellent way to get your career underway if you can't afford the tuition up front for private schooling.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

CLP:

Commercial Learner's Permit

Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.

Davy A.'s Comment
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Not true to discourage you from getting a CDL , but what is the combined gvw of the truck towing the excavator. And is it airbrakes on the truck?

I was a general contractor for years, drove a ton of dump trucks under 26k, towed excavators (smaller ones) and ran them, never required a CDL.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

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