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Ana B.'s Comment
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So, I'm doing this for my husband. He's probably not gonna be happy, but I need answers.

He took his CLP test & past. Got his permit.

He applied to get his CDL training approved from Prime Inc. in April. They sent him to get a DOT test. Cannabis came back positive (very low #, but still enough to mark him fail). He has been cannabis free since November 2021. He contacted Prime & the recruiter told him he's bard from applying with them for the next 3 years and good luck. End of conversation.

The Dr that took the DOT test was the one who advised him to enter the SAP program. So, he did. He completed SAP. Passed a DOT test that he personally paid for. Both urine & hair. Here's where it gets complicated.

He is still trying to get into any....ANY school at this point in order to get a CDL. Whether if its company sponsored or if he has to pay out of pocket. His CLP is suspended because he needs an employer to get him a return to duty status to lift the suspension. How can he go return to duty if he doesn't have a CDL? Idk if this even makes sense. Like, he can't get a trucking job because he only has a permit. And nobody wants him because he thought he could pass the DOT since he hasn't smoked in months.

Does anyone have any advice to give? He's been taking this extremely hard because it's all so confusing. Is this the end for him? Who does he need to talk to? Is there a school that is willing to give him a chance?

Thank you all so much

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

CLP:

Commercial Learner's Permit

Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.

Banks's Comment
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I'll start by saying that you should list what state you're in. Knowing the state can help because there are people here from all over the country that are well versed in their states licensing laws.

Your husband is in a bad spot. The people that are able to come back from a failed drug test have experience on their side. A permit holder with no experience and a failed drug test offers no upside. He can't enroll in a school because he can't get licensed.

I don't know about the RTD status of his permit and that's why I said you should list your state. He's not going to find an employer to endorse return to duty status. It's too much risk on their part. I know prime said to reapply in 3 years, but I wouldn't be surprised if they blacklisted him.

I'll be honest, I don't think there's a single failed drug test story that hasn't come across this site. We had the guy that was drugged by his friends, the guy with meth head wife that believed he tested positive because of oral sex or because she drugged him, the guy that said drug tests are racist because drugs stay in coarse hair longer.... That's just the tip of the iceberg. The one thing these folks have in common is that disappear with no updates. The assumption is that they disappear because they give up and it's not because they're quitters, it's because it's almost impossible to come back from something like that.

You have to look it from a company's point of view. Can you imagine the lawsuit they would have on their hands if your husband got into an accident that involved a death or dismemberment and tested positive at the accident site? Any bottom of their class ambulance chaser would get rich off of that one. They'd say "prime put a guy that recently failed a drug test in the driver seat". Cha-ching. I wish you guys the best of luck and we'll see what pops up once we know what state you're in.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Ana B.'s Comment
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Hi Bill, thanks for your feedback.

Your theory absolutely makes sense. There's no "but" to add into that at all.

We are from California. He knew he was going to be tested and he knew what the world of trucking entails due to his extensive research in the industry before applying. That's what made him stop using cannabis in the first place because he wanted to join the industry.

Ana B.'s Comment
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"BANKS".....my apologies auto correct and I pressed the wrong suggestion.

Hi Bill, thanks for your feedback.

Your theory absolutely makes sense. There's no "but" to add into that at all.

We are from California. He knew he was going to be tested and he knew what the world of trucking entails due to his extensive research in the industry before applying. That's what made him stop using cannabis in the first place because he wanted to join the industry.

Banks's Comment
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For other users, this is why I offer no empathy. People are entitled and want what they want. I took time out my day after a long night on the road to answer her questions because I was empathetic to their situation as a family. I answered as clearly as I could and I get "your theory makes no sense". Even though I have safe years under my belt, keep up with all of the FMSCA stuff and learn new information from people here regularly. I don't know what I'm talking about because it's not what she wants to hear.

I didn't offer a theory, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I told you he's in a bad spot, which he is.

I told you why companies avoid hiring people that fail drug tests, because you need to understand why nobody will touch him.

I told you the stories that have come across this site, because they've all been discussed at nauseam. That's why nobody else answered your question. People get tired of people not accepting their bad decisions and looking for a way out.

What he knows, what he did and what he wants to do are irrelevant at this point.

Again, good luck to you. I hope somebody else can provide you with a theory that makes sense.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
RealDiehl's Comment
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Your theory absolutely makes sense.

I think she was agreeing with you, Banks. I guess we get so many people who aren't happy to hear the truth that you sort of expect negative responses from people seeking help. Your brain automatically inserted a "no" into that comment.

Banks's Comment
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I feel foolish. My apologies, Ana. It's been a long night and a tedious couple of weeks I've been dealing with. It's no excuse, but I'm sorry.

Thanks for pointing that out, Real.

Ana B.'s Comment
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To Banks.... this is your theory....

"You have to look it from a company's point of view. Can you imagine the lawsuit they would have on their hands if your husband got into an accident that involved a death or dismemberment and tested positive at the accident site? Any bottom of their class ambulance chaser would get rich off of that one. They'd say "prime put a guy that recently failed a drug test in the driver seat". Cha-ching. I wish you guys the best of luck and we'll see what pops up once we know what state you're in."

I was NOT disagreeing with you at all in what you said originally. I think you completely misunderstood my response to it. I get it, it's in text. It could be perceived the wrong way. But, I am not being entitled and or trying to make my post as if it's "aaww poor us" type of a situation.

I'm not asking for empathy from anyone. I posted because I am genuinely asking for any feedbacks from knowledgeable and experienced drivers. I'm sorry you had came across entitled idiot's, but we are definable in that group.

My husband really thought he was clear enough to pass the DOT. The mistake we made was not get a home test prior to getting the actual DOT. He was too excited and eager to start.

Again, thank you for your time and for anyone else willing to comment with any feedbacks. I truly appreciate you all. ❤️

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Klutch's Comment
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I’m sure people with more knowledge will chime in but really, it’s a waiting game now.

Failed test are on the clearing house for like 5 years I think? Something like that. I can’t imagine many companies will give him a chance until you build up some time since the failed test. Rough way to start.

Have you guys talked to any second chance companies?

Ana B.'s Comment
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Apology accepted Banks! Thank you so much for that. No hard feelings on my end. I had posted a response at the same time you posted the apology.

You're feedback would still be appreciated on my end. 😀

I feel foolish. My apologies, Ana. It's been a long night and a tedious couple of weeks I've been dealing with. It's no excuse, but I'm sorry.

Thanks for pointing that out, Real.

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