Class-A Permit Restrictions With Another Driver?
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Depends. Some training companies have greased enough palms with the FMCSA and the NHTSA to be granted waivers for this exact thing: Learners Permit Holder behind the wheel while the "trainer" is literally asleep in the sleeper BERTH. Lunacy I scream! These are the same one's that are not getting real training by trainers that are mainly doing it for the money. Some companies are actively looking at a potential "trainer" with maybe 6 to 9 months experience. I remember how little I knew at 6 months. Hell, I think of how much I DON'T KNOW NOW! I buried a truck and trailer in a snowbank two weeks ago during a blizzard in Minnesota. What for? Part of the reason for that driving detour of my dispatch was to go by a terminal to get the 2023 IFTA stickers and paperwork. It ended up being not important enough for a preventable accident in hindsight! Too much weight on a piece of paper and a sticker. They can mail it to me next winter
Personally, this is as crazy an idea as having 18 year olds driving a CMV interstate. That's the newest big push now by the ATA. It's a matter of money over safety and common sense. More drivers that don't know anything about life yet will be paid a lower amount and thankful to get it BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER! Drags the whole industry down, except for the company owners and stockholders.
Again, on a big soapbox with these, my own thoughts and feelings and I will not debate them.
Terminal:
A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.
Sleeper Berth:
The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.
CSA:
Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)
The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle
FMCSA:
Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.
What Does The FMCSA Do?
- Commercial Drivers' Licenses
- Data and Analysis
- Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
- Research and Technology
- Safety Assistance
- Support and Information Sharing
CMV:
Commercial Motor Vehicle
A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:
- Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
- Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
- Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
- Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
- Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards
Interstate:
Commercial trade, business, movement of goods or money, or transportation from one state to another, regulated by the Federal Department Of Transportation (DOT).
Fm:
Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager
The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
I have to agree with Senior Chief on this. Why is it that regular license permit holders they MUST have a validly licensed driver in the front seat with them at all times, but cdl permit holders don’t.
As with everything, follow the money for true answers!!
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Ok, my understanding of this question, is as follows:
"Can a ClassA permit holder move the vehicle, while the fully licenced trainer is in the sleeper berth status? "
The answer is NO. A permit holder must be directly supervised (meaning in the passenger seat, not on their phone) by someone who holds the full license.
Now, where people are losing their heads, is that another Mega carrier was granted the waiver. This is where a newly tested driver with passing scores can operate the CMV while not directly supervised, before they have gone home to upgrade their licence. They need a CDL holder on the truck (they could be in SB status,) they need a copy of the letter granting the carrier this waiver, their permit, and their non commercial DL.
Previous to this waiver shenanigans, a driver who resides in Alabama, but tested in Missouri, would have to return home, upgrade their license, and only then could they drive without immediate supervision.
My question is for you guys if someone has their cdl permit and is driving with someone who has their cdl, can the permit driver still drive 11hrs with the cdl driver in sleeper birth? I know probably not but are there rules that state this isn't allowed?
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Sleeper Berth:
The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.
CMV:
Commercial Motor Vehicle
A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:
- Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
- Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
- Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
- Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
- Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards
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My question is for you guys if someone has their cdl permit and is driving with someone who has their cdl, can the permit driver still drive 11hrs with the cdl driver in sleeper birth? I know probably not but are there rules that state this isn't allowed?
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles: