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Errol V.'s Comment
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Hey, keep something in mind here too.......anything you have can potentially be used against you. If you're running for a company with paper logs and you decide to keep your own version of elogs to impress the officers, they're going to want to see both sets of logs if they're aware of them. If the two sets don't match, accidentally or otherwise, you could be in for a very long day. They could easily interpret that as falsifying your logs.

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Now keep in mind.....I've never used elogs so I could be unfamiliar with a company policy or law regarding two sets of logs. If I'm missing something here let me know. Otherwise it seems prudent to keep only one set of logs. Don't try to mirror two sets.

As Brett warns, keeping more than one set of logs can easily get you into trouble. For your paper log company, you should be able to keep a "carbon copy" set of the ones you turn in, or take the time to photocopy them before you submit them - your protection is having an exact copy of the official papers. A "backup set" of your own making is going to cause problems.

If you want to try to convince your company to move into the 21st century, show them the online program without trying to duplicate your actual logs. The Keep Trucking app does have a fleet management section, and currently does not charge for any of it.

Elog:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Elogs:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

Todd W.'s Comment
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Thanks for the good info so far. The branch of the company I work for currently was not even aware that I needed to keep a drivers log until I told them. Fortunately I found out from another driver from another branch about it before I was pulled in to have my box truck inspected and they asked to see my logbook. Apparently my company has some learning to do about the regulations and I am glad I got into paper logs before I got busted. Saved me from a lot of potential FUBARS when I hopefully get my commercial license. Seams I I got into CYA territory by sear luck.

Logbook:

A written or electronic record of a driver's duty status which must be maintained at all times. The driver records the amount of time spent driving, on-duty not driving, in the sleeper berth, or off duty. The enforcement of the Hours Of Service Rules (HOS) are based upon the entries put in a driver's logbook.

Rick S.'s Comment
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Thanks for the good info so far. The branch of the company I work for currently was not even aware that I needed to keep a drivers log until I told them. Fortunately I found out from another driver from another branch about it before I was pulled in to have my box truck inspected and they asked to see my logbook. Apparently my company has some learning to do about the regulations and I am glad I got into paper logs before I got busted. Saved me from a lot of potential FUBARS when I hopefully get my commercial license. Seams I I got into CYA territory by sear luck.

If you're not operating a vehicle that requires a CDL - you shouldn't be required to log. If you ARE operating a vehicle that requires a CDL, and you DON'T HAVE ONE - you have WAY BIGGER PROBLEMS THAN LOGGING.

Rick

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Logbook:

A written or electronic record of a driver's duty status which must be maintained at all times. The driver records the amount of time spent driving, on-duty not driving, in the sleeper berth, or off duty. The enforcement of the Hours Of Service Rules (HOS) are based upon the entries put in a driver's logbook.

Todd W.'s Comment
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Understood, fortunately the vehicle I drive weighs right near the 26k limit and can be rented at any place that deals with trucks. I have been asked for a drivers log when the truck is in for inspection. I think I got the CHP officer when he was having a bad day because he was being picky on a truck that was less then 2 years old at the time. This is becoming an unexpectedly interesting thread which was not my intention. I am getting more and more useful stuff and more question for anoter thread when I formulate how to ask the question right.

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