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Doc Brady's Comment
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Hi all, getting ready to begin the great journey to Prime SLC, and just finished my CLP. As advised, I went for all endorsements, however I ws a bit concerned about Hazmat. I passed the test, but will not be able to do the HS background before shipping out due to finances being tight. Will I still be able to do the background after PSD and TNT , or will I have to re-test after I get my full CDL-A. Was hoping someone would have some idea. My CLP is from CA. Thanks!

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

PSD:

Prime Student Driver

Prime Inc has a CDL training program and the first phase is referred to as PSD. You'll get your permit and then 10,000 miles of on the road instruction.

The following is from Prime's website:

Prime’s PSD begins with you obtaining your CDL permit. Then you’ll go on the road with a certified CDL instructor for no less than 75 hours of one-on-one behind the wheel training. After training, you’ll return to Prime’s corporate headquarters in Springfield, Missouri, for final CDL state testing and your CDL license.

Obtain CDL Permit / 4 Days

  • Enter program, study and test for Missouri CDL permit.
  • Start driving/training at Prime Training Center in Springfield, Missouri.
  • Work toward 40,000 training dispatched miles (minimum) with food allowance while without CDL (Food allowance is paid back with future earnings).

On-the-Road Instruction / 10,000 Miles

  • Train with experienced certified CDL instructor for 3-4 weeks in a real world environment.
  • Get 75 hours of behind-the-wheel time with one-on-one student/instructor ratio.
  • Earn 10,000 miles toward total 40,000 miles needed.

TNT:

Trainer-N-Trainee

Prime Inc has their own CDL training program and it's divided into two phases - PSD and TNT.

The PSD (Prime Student Driver) phase is where you'll get your permit and then go on the road for 10,000 miles with a trainer. When you come back you'll get your CDL license and enter the TNT phase.

The TNT phase is the second phase of training where you'll go on the road with an experienced driver for 30,000 miles of team driving. You'll receive 14¢ per mile ($700 per week guaranteed) during this phase. Once you're finished with TNT training you will be assigned a truck to run solo.

CLP:

Commercial Learner's Permit

Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.

ChosenOne's Comment
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CA is easy to take care of this. TSA and the State do everything electronically, you don't have to schedule time in a DMV Office to drop off the approval, or wait for TSA to send it. CA DMV actually expect you will not have your clearance when you test, if you look, TSA should not be trying to clear you unless you can present a Commercial License, or a valid Commercial Permit. If you test and have no TSA HME Clearance, the endorsement will be in DMV's System, but will not be valid until DMV receives the electronic clearance from TSA. Just as an FYI, California CLP's do not allow you to transport HAzMat , nor can you drive a tanker trailer with product, it has to be empty, and if it was used for HazMat Transport, the trailer must be purged and cleaned prior to you pulling it down the road.

I am assuming you are going to Prime, and if Prime is paying for your TWIC , and has you apply for your TWIC there, all the better for you, and will make this much easier. Once you get your TWIC Clearance (You can check it online), go to the TSA website and apply for your HME. If you have your TWIC you do not need to visit an office, you just pay the discounted fee when you apply and they will send the clearance electronically to CA for you, you will get a letter in the mail from TSA letting you know it was approved and sent to CA DMV. You can also check the status online.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

CLP:

Commercial Learner's Permit

Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.

Doc Brady's Comment
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Ok! Thanks for the info. I thought the TWIC was mainly for intermodal carriers, but if I'm getting it at prime I wont complain! How would the HM work if I transferred CDL? My family is planning on moving to TX or KS in the time before I'm likely to take home time (CA too damn expensive.) Would I have to go back to CA to finalize or can I just do it when I transfer CDL to whichever state my family winds up moving?

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Intermodal:

Transporting freight using two or more transportation modes. An example would be freight that is moved by truck from the shipper's dock to the rail yard, then placed on a train to the next rail yard, and finally returned to a truck for delivery to the receiving customer.

In trucking when you hear someone refer to an intermodal job they're normally talking about hauling shipping containers to and from the shipyards and railyards.

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

Daniel B.'s Comment
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LOL!

...and another California family plans on moving away. Love it!

Prime wants TWIC card, but it also reduces cost of getting the hazmat endorsement.

Its hard to say in my opinion because each state handles this differently. You may have to transfer license and completely redo hazmat or they could transfer what progress you made to it but I doubt it.

If I were you I wouldn't overwhelm myself. Youre looking at starting a new career (super stressful), combined with moving to a different state, and now you're throwing juggling a hazmat endorsement there too? I would take it one at a time and go with the flow. Prime won't require hazmat until you're solo which is a good 3-6 months away so for now just focus on learning the job. You dont need hazmat/TWIC endorsement on the first day, its a process and they understand that so put on the brakes a little and focus on the prize.

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HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

ChosenOne's Comment
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Throwing a move in there can complicate things. I agree with Daniel B, wait until you are settled in and moving on your own. You can get your HazMat later, and each state handles them differently. You will do fine. We would move out of Ca, but the wife has a state job and has less than 7 years to full retirement with benefits, which include fully paid medical. The prize at the end is worth the wait for us.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Doc Brady's Comment
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Ok! Yeah, if Prime has a system set up for it, I'm perfectly fine with just going with the flow. Especially since during training, like you said, wont be putting any of the endorsements to use anyhow, cept maybe to study further. Still honestly trying to get used to how the process works with getting hired....It's definitely different from any other job I've ever gotten. Unfortunately the move is kinda what spurred the career change, but we've done big moves worse than this before. Lol my poor wife had to move while I was downrange, if she can handle that, she can handle anything!

Adam P.'s Comment
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I know this is a few months old and I apologize, but I just walked out of the California DMV. I'm furious that I've had my CDL for close to ten years and just tried adding the X endorsement (hazmat with tanker), and was told I need to take another drive test and was given a permit? In the other states where I had my CDL, you just took the written exam and passed, and that was it. You had your endorsements. Hell, I had those endorsements since 2010 and just had them removed six months ago because I didn't need them anymore.

I'm working out of state, and was told I can only get my testing done in state. Is this true? I can't find any mention of it anywhere online, and they didn't tell me this until they handed me my permit and tried to send me on my way.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Old School's Comment
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You need to test in the state where your home address is. Welcome to California!

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