From My Experience So Far As A Rookie

You are some daft S.O.B.'s. I do not break any DOT violations. You don't have all the facts. Plus when I say I shove a tire on a trailer it is to make sure that it is not loose on the rim. I check the tire pressure by gage at the fuel bay because checking it at the yard is pointless unless you can charge them there, plus if the stem is bad you could have a problem. I know why I don't communicate much with you daft S.O.B.'s. My company puts 1500 plus drivers in harms way? plus their CSA? We do a post trip on duty at the end of the day 15 minutes. Do yall really know all the rules. Thanks to the creator of this web site for all the learning programs and CDL test. But this will be the last time I discuss any issues with these dumb S.O.B.'s. I cant wait till two years when you are all on electronic logs.

You are some daft S.O.B.'s. I do not break any DOT violations. You don't have all the facts. Plus when I say I shove a tire on a trailer it is to make sure that it is not loose on the rim. I check the tire pressure by gage at the fuel bay because checking it at the yard is pointless unless you can charge them there, plus if the stem is bad you could have a problem. I know why I don't communicate much with you daft S.O.B.'s. My company puts 1500 plus drivers in harms way? plus their CSA? We do a post trip on duty at the end of the day 15 minutes. Do yall really know all the rules. Thanks to the creator of this web site for all the learning programs and CDL test. But this will be the last time I discuss any issues with these dumb S.O.B.'s. I cant wait till two years when you are all on electronic logs.

I have been on electronic logs for almost 4 years. I know what I am talking about, the only thing daft here is what is going to happen if you are ever pulled into an inspection. In order for you to prove the pre-inspection took place you need to show at least 15 minutes on-duty once your 10 hour break is up before you drive. If it's not logged according to DOT it never happened.

Furthermore if you move a class 8 truck with a tire pressure of 80 when it is supposed to be 105 you are definitely in violation, risking a blow-out and possible criminal charges if your blow-out causes a fatal accident. You are the driver and you are responsible for your truck.

Do you think we make this stuff up? No. Chill out with the insults only makes you look foolish. We were trying to help you.

Daft? Not even close. I can deal with the sob compliment though because I think we can all be one at times. I've run elogs and paper and am quite adept with both. I've performed thousands of DOT annual inspections over the years with my signature on every one of them so yeah, I'm pretty familiar with DOT and FMCSA regulations. As G eluded to, the 15 minutes is a practical account of time to perform a pre trip and recognized by most DOT officers, post trip is good bit they really want to see that you checked out your vehicle before you released the brakes.

Pre-Trip Inspection Report: During pre-trip inspections, drivers simply verify that their vehicle is safe to drive. They review the last driver inspection report and sign it if they need to certify that required repairs have been made and that any defects or deficiencies have been noted. Motor carriers are not required to document pre-trip inspections, but the practice is recommended. • The Pre-Trip inspection does not need to be in writing • Each driver MUST be satisfied that the equipment is in proper working condition prior to operating the vehicle • As part of the driver’s Pre-Trip inspection, the drive must review the previous Post-Trip inspection to verify that any needed repairs were made to the vehicle. If Safety defects were noted, an authorized agent of the Company must have certified that the defects were corrected prior to operation • The driver must print and sign on the reviewing driver’s signature line • A driver must not operate a vehicle under Aaron Rents Inc authority if defects were noted and not certified as corrected • Each driver must also be satisfied that the cargo is properly distributed and secured Post-Trip Inspection Report:

Post-trip inspections are more intensive. The FMCSA mandates that drivers submit a written report on each vehicle at the end of each workday. Drivers must assess service brakes (including trailer brake connections), parking brake, steering mechanism, lighting devices and reflectors, tires, horns, windshield wipers, rear vision mirrors, coupling devices, wheels and rims, and emergency equipment. Post-trip inspection reports must detail any defects or deficiency that might cause a vehicle to become a safety hazard (or, if there are none, the driver must indicate this). Any safety hazards that fall under Appendix G of the FMCSR must be immediately addressed by the motor carrier. Motor carriers are required to maintain Driver Vehicle Inspection Reports (DVIR) for 90 days. (See Resources for Appendix G information and a PDF version of the DVIR). • Each driver is required to complete a written report on each vehicle’s condition at the end of his or her shift • The Post-Trip inspection starts when the driver starts driving… • Inspection forms MUST be completely filled out and signed by the driver • All vehicle inspection components must be checked if OK or marked with an X if defects are noted • All noted defects must be described in detail in the remarks section • Any SAFETY related defects MUST be repaired prior to operation and signed off by a designated agent of the Company • The report must be retained at the store for 90 days in the vehicle maintenance file Now this is from my company

2. If your pretrip walk-around in the morning takes less than 7 minutes, you can flag it off duty, because it’s just a walk around. Doing this can add at least 2 hours back to your clock for the week. For your post trip at the end of the day, the minimum is 10 to 15 minutes on duty.

You guys understand what you have experienced and confuse rules and laws,etc. I have had guys who I have swapped trailers that think certain tandem holes go with certain weights, and found out was overweight by 1000 pounds, over and underflated tires( by the way it is 85 or less not 80 that is illegal) and the list goes on. If your company has rules that are even stricter than DOT's it is no wonder, it keeps you that much farther from screwing up their CSA. I would normally apologize for calling you guys daft, but I cant. Plus I am a TEXAN and pronounce S.O.B.'s - Some a *****es. I look at tires for damage, I shove them, I gage them! Except for a small percentage of drivers, there are some Idiots out there including some the Old School drivers who I refer to as King of The Roads. In fact it is their generation that caused all these issues and the reason a Governmental agencie has to tell them when to go to bed. So from what little psychology I understand, I have to reason that most of you guys feel threatened. If you want to get technical go drive a flat bed, or wide loads, maybe some haz-mat and get out of that Swift truck.

We know it's from your company mang. We've been saying all along that's exactly what the problem is.

Also i drive flatbed jackass.

We know it's from your company mang. We've been saying all along that's exactly what the problem is.

Top part is straight from DOT , I don't mind Jackass either.........keeps the yard safe.

Pre-Trip Inspection Report: During pre-trip inspections, drivers simply verify that their vehicle is safe to drive. They review the last driver inspection report and sign it if they need to certify that required repairs have been made and that any defects or deficiencies have been noted. Motor carriers are not required to document pre-trip inspections, but the practice is recommended. • The Pre-Trip inspection does not need to be in writing • Each driver MUST be satisfied that the equipment is in proper working condition prior to operating the vehicle • As part of the driver’s Pre-Trip inspection, the drive must review the previous Post-Trip inspection to verify that any needed repairs were made to the vehicle. If Safety defects were noted, an authorized agent of the Company must have certified that the defects were corrected prior to operation • The driver must print and sign on the reviewing driver’s signature line • A driver must not operate a vehicle under Aaron Rents Inc authority if defects were noted and not certified as corrected • Each driver must also be satisfied that the cargo is properly distributed and secured Post-Trip Inspection Report:

Post-trip inspections are more intensive. The FMCSA mandates that drivers submit a written report on each vehicle at the end of each workday. Drivers must assess service brakes (including trailer brake connections), parking brake, steering mechanism, lighting devices and reflectors, tires, horns, windshield wipers, rear vision mirrors, coupling devices, wheels and rims, and emergency equipment. Post-trip inspection reports must detail any defects or deficiency that might cause a vehicle to become a safety hazard (or, if there are none, the driver must indicate this). Any safety hazards that fall under Appendix G of the FMCSR must be immediately addressed by the motor carrier. Motor carriers are required to maintain Driver Vehicle Inspection Reports (DVIR) for 90 days. (See Resources for Appendix G information and a PDF version of the DVIR). • Each driver is required to complete a written report on each vehicle’s condition at the end of his or her shift • The Post-Trip inspection starts when the driver starts driving… • Inspection forms MUST be completely filled out and signed by the driver • All vehicle inspection components must be checked if OK or marked with an X if defects are noted • All noted defects must be described in detail in the remarks section • Any SAFETY related defects MUST be repaired prior to operation and signed off by a designated agent of the Company • The report must be retained at the store for 90 days in the vehicle maintenance file Now this is from my company

2. If your pretrip walk-around in the morning takes less than 7 minutes, you can flag it off duty, because it’s just a walk around. Doing this can add at least 2 hours back to your clock for the week. For your post trip at the end of the day, the minimum is 10 to 15 minutes on duty.

You guys understand what you have experienced and confuse rules and laws,etc. I have had guys who I have swapped trailers that think certain tandem holes go with certain weights, and found out was overweight by 1000 pounds, over and underflated tires( by the way it is 85 or less not 80 that is illegal) and the list goes on. If your company has rules that are even stricter than DOT's it is no wonder, it keeps you that much farther from screwing up their CSA. I would normally apologize for calling you guys daft, but I cant. Plus I am a TEXAN and pronounce S.O.B.'s - Some a *****es. I look at tires for damage, I shove them, I gage them! Except for a small percentage of drivers, there are some Idiots out there including some the Old School drivers who I refer to as King of The Roads. In fact it is their generation that caused all these issues and the reason a Governmental agencie has to tell them when to go to bed. So from what little psychology I understand, I have to reason that most of you guys feel threatened. If you want to get technical go drive a flat bed, or wide loads, maybe some haz-mat and get out of that Swift truck.

Jeff all I did was suggest that you are taking unnecessary risks by not logging your pre-trip as on-duty.

You disagree and that's fine and its your decision to conduct your business as you always have.

However I get my back up when an inexperienced driver provides advice to impressionable students and newbies that is not recommended and potentially harmful. You are entitled to disagree but don' force your religion on the rest of us by getting hostile, indignant, and aggressive.

And for the record I was probably driving a truck before you were born, this current gig is by far not my first rodeo. Thanks for the advice, however I am quite happy driving for Swift.

Enjoy your Christmas.

http://www.fleetcleanusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/CMVInspections.pdf

We're daft? You do realize that's not the fmcsa handbook i hope. That's another companies personal take on information. Here's the actual fmcsa section regarding pre-trip insection.

section 396.11

Before driving a motor vehicle, the driver shall:

(a) Be satisfied that the motor vehicle is in safe operating condition;

(b) Review the last driver vehicle inspection report; and

(c) Sign the report, only if defects or deficiencies were noted by the driver who prepared the report, to acknowledge that the driver has reviewed it and that there is a certification that the required repairs have been performed. The signature requirement does not apply to listed defects on a towed unit which is no longer part of the vehicle combination.

That is part one you should consider. Here is part 2:

section 395.2

On-duty time means all time from the time a driver begins to work or is required to be in readiness to work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work. On-duty time shall include:

(1) All time at a plant, terminal , facility, or other property of a motor carrier or shipper , or on any public property, waiting to be dispatched, unless the driver has been relieved from duty by the motor carrier;

(2) All time inspecting, servicing, or conditioning any commercial motor vehicle at any time;

Are you stil going to maintain your stance that these other things you're reading are correct? My copies are directly from the fmcsa regulation handbook located at the official website, https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/

Now i'm curious how you're once again going to try to wiggle the words so that it fits your style of running, much like i've heard countless drivers do.