Out Of State Ticket Doesn't Appear On My Driving Record.... Do I Report It On My Application?

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Rick S.'s Comment
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I'll give you some examples...

I got a "summary offense" in Pennsylvania 5 years ago. Less than a misdemeanor, magistrate told me it was like a citation for spitting on the sidewalk (it was harassment - unwanted speech or contact - flirted with a Red Roof Inn housekeeper that took it the wrong way).

I have access to similar BG systems that the industry uses (from my work with law offices) and it shows up. But it's not a moving violation, and it's not a misdemeanor or felony. Nor was I "arrested", simply had to go pay a fine.

Will I disclose? Probably. Easier to explain it, than to get caught not disclosing.

Another example - I was a BAAAAD BOY back in '89. Felony drug charge - dismissed and sealed after completing probation. Like it NEVER HAPPENED (supposedly). Got a call from Canada Immigration & Customs on a recent FAST card app - asking about it. The CHARGE showed up on NCIC (as it documents ARRESTS). Had to explain to them, that it was an arrest - but no conviction or adjudication. They were OK with it, and approved the app.

FAST app asked for CONVICTIONS - not arrests - so I didn't disclose.

It never raised a red flag on my TWIC or HM processes.

There are some cases where it IS "better to ask permission" (disclose), then BEG FORGIVENESS...

Rick

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

6 string rhythm's Comment
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Unless if I'm mistaken, all states share information regarding traffic violations. It might be part of the reason why you cannot own more than one driver's license. Just because you don't see an out of state violation on your home state's DMV report might not mean that it isn't available for any employer that has access to a driver's history based on their license number.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Rob S.'s Comment
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Sorry, not trying to be a smart ass or start an argument here, but you state that;

"You ALWAYS disclose because if you don't, they will find out later"

So my question is, how will they find out later? By running a driver's license check thru every state? This is very time consuming and costly. I am not a lawyer by any means, but if it is not on his home state license, then it is a small offence that probably does not fall under the reciprocation laws. He should call the offending state's transportation bureau and enquire. I know that if I get a ticket in the US, it will not show whatsoever on my Ontario driver's license.

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I'm no expert but you must provide a minimum 10 years of verifiable employment history, that will pretty easily show them what states to check for your mvr. As far as your tickets not showing up in Ontario that has nothing to do with what happens in the U.S.? I know once you get a CDL its a federal license and then things like CSA , PSP and DAC come into play. But basically if you choose to lie about your past to a potential employer, don't be surprised if that lie is exposed and you suffer somehow because of it. Lying because you think you can get away with it may not be worth it in the long run, especially in trucking. Trucking companies typically will find out, I don't know how but they have their ways. Especially for the OP, its simply not worth the risk to try and lie about one speeding ticket. Maybe Brett and others can chime in here about why its bad to lie about your driving past.

Phil

Just so we are clear, I never suggested that he lie. Not disclosing s/thing is not the same as lying. As Brett stated, only disclose what they ask for, nothing more. An open ended question like, "list all moving violation tickets over the last x years" ... what does that mean? List all of them that show on your drivers license, list any that you got worldwide? Unclear questions produce unclear answers. Anyways, if the company will check regardless, then why even ask you?

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

MVR:

Motor Vehicle Record

An MVR is a report of your driving history, as reported from your state Department of Motor Vehicles. Information on this report may include Drivers License information, point history, violations, convictions, and license status on your driving record.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

DWI:

Driving While Intoxicated

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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An open ended question like, "list all moving violation tickets over the last x years" ... what does that mean?

Come on, man. Be serious. Let's just use some common sense here. It's clear what they're asking so answer it honestly.

Anyways, if the company will check regardless, then why even ask you?

Because they have to by law in order to request a copy of your records.

Rob S.'s Comment
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An open ended question like, "list all moving violation tickets over the last x years" ... what does that mean?

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Come on, man. Be serious. Let's just use some common sense here. It's clear what they're asking so answer it honestly.

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Anyways, if the company will check regardless, then why even ask you?

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Because they have to by law in order to request a copy of your records.

Brett, I won't argue this point any further, but an example going thru the courts now is about Uber, and whether it is a taxi company or not. Is it not common sense that it is? Uber claims that it is a technology company!!! It just happens to connect rides with riders! So by their loose definition, anyone company using any sort of technology can claim they are a tech co?

Anyways, my whole point is if it does not show on his PA license, then how would the company even know about it? This question has not been answered, all I got was is they will find out but no one seems to know how.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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Anyways, my whole point is if it does not show on his PA license, then how would the company even know about it? This question has not been answered, all I got was is they will find out but no one seems to know how.

To be honest, who cares how they'll find out? It's not that difficult for them to do and the process they use doesn't matter. We're talking about publicly available records here. There are any number of ways they can get the information and they will get it.

The point is they're asking you a clear and simple question and you have the choice of either answering it plainly and honestly or trying to play an attorney and dig through every word fighting tooth and nail to uncover technicalities. But let me clue you into something - this is exactly the type of behavior companies are watching out for. They want to know who is going to fight the system every step of the way. They want to know who is going to try their best to hide everything they can. They want to see who gets all defensive anytime someone asks them a basic question about their background.

You've been around here long enough to know that a ton of people get sent home from training programs and orientations for seemingly mysterious reasons. Well it isn't mysterious at all if you understand the hiring and training processes and you know what they're looking for in a driver, or maybe looking out for. This kind of behavior is exactly the type of behavior that lands you back on a bus headed home.

Ya know Rob, you're concerning me more and more here lately. A couple of months ago when you showed up you seemed to be enthusiastic and optimistic and had a great attitude. As time is marching forward here you're becoming more cynical and jaded toward everything all the time. I don't know if you're hanging out a lot at the Trucker's Report or what but you have to lighten up a little bit. Trying to hide things from your past or nitpick about technicalities over a very simply worded question regarding how many tickets you've had in the past few years is not a good sign about your approach right now. That kinda stuff isn't going to get you anywhere. I used to think of you as kinda "Happy, enthusiastic dude from Ontario" but in the past few weeks I've had to watch everything you say pretty closely. I'm not sure what's changed your attitude toward things but it's going in the wrong direction.

Rob S.'s Comment
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Hi Brett:

Thanks for your reply. I am generally not an evasive person, but sometimes it does get the better of me when I think that someone wants to hang me over any and all minor infractions. I start taking it personally and that is when I seem to get crafty. Anyways, I read you loud and clear, and you are right, my attitude has slipped a bit , maybe it's winter or just the fact that I know I can't start school at least until mid to late summer. Thank-you for pointing it out and I will now disrobe from my attorney suit! :)

P.S. I have not been hanging out on that other site you mention. I am faithful to TT!

Brett Aquila's Comment
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Hi Brett:

Thanks for your reply. I am generally not an evasive person, but sometimes it does get the better of me when I think that someone wants to hang me over any and all minor infractions. I start taking it personally and that is when I seem to get crafty. Anyways, I read you loud and clear, and you are right, my attitude has slipped a bit , maybe it's winter or just the fact that I know I can't start school at least until mid to late summer. Thank-you for pointing it out and I will now disrobe from my attorney suit! :)

P.S. I have not been hanging out on that other site you mention. I am faithful to TT!

Hey, don't sweat it a bit. I was just gettin concerned that outside forces were souring your attitude a bit. There's soooo much negativity elsewhere on the Web about trucking it's a common thing to see.

Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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Tell them. One ticket a year ago is not going to affect them... but IF they did find it, it will make you look like a liar and they will send you home. Prime found convictions and charges on people who said their criminal records-- and even DUI's were expunged. They found a charge on me that my county recorded as an arrest, but it was not... they asked for CONVICTIONS which I was never convicted (my mentally ill sister tried to get a restraining order on me, so it was a domestic violence thing-- not an arrest, but a complaint. She attacked me in court and it was thrown out. Somehow it showed up as an arrest and Prime thought i was lying). Sooooo... after trying to convince them that I have no criminal record, have not had a ticket in 24 years, and have a work history with one company for 18 yrs.. i finally got an "okay".

Just tell them. From what I see... there are people with far worse situations than one speeding ticket

DUI:

Driving Under the Influence

Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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BTW... i had recently had a background check done for another job I was considering and it came back clean. When I told that to Prime the response was "We pay a lot more for background checks to make sure we get all the dirt. We don't want criminals and dangerous people driving our vehicles".

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