Lives Matter Movement

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C. S.'s Comment
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So you are saying that you have to put your life endanger

You are endangering your life every time you get behind the wheel of any vehicle, especially a CMV. Hundreds of truck drivers die every year in accidents, a much greater risk than dying from an act of violence.

I am not talking about running over people.

Do you honestly believe that in a crowd that size and that densely packed you would not run people over while "continuing to push your self out of the way and protect what is important"? The steer axle alone weighs 12k lbs. That is two standard pick up trucks. Even if you didn't crush people to death just knocking someone down at 5mph in a truck would be enough force to give them a serious injury upon impact with the ground.

Should they be allowed to do what they are doing with no consequences either?

No, but you are not a judge, jury and executioner.

Even if you did decide that you were just going to drive off through a crowd of people, the only way your plan would even work is if you were at the front of stopped traffic. What if other vehicles are in front of you? Should you just demolition derby them out of the way?

For those of you that are too young you need to understand what happened to this man Reginald Denny.

I know about Reginald Denny. I also know that one example of a truck driver being brutally assaulted during a riot in the last 25 years hardly shows that this happens nearly enough to be cause for concern.

Just let the insurance companies take the hit, that doesn't really cost anyone anything does it?

Of course it costs something, but that is the purpose of insurance. I can also tell you that the cost of replacing the equipment and freight (even if uninsured) would almost certainly be less than settling the wrongful death lawsuit a trucking company would face if a driver took it upon themselves to protect equipment in this manner. I say the same thing to people who talk about resisting a hijacker; the truck and load are insured and can be replaced, your life cannot.

Of course do what you need to in order to protect yourself. But in the vast majority of cases I'd guess that would be at most locking your doors, not driving through a crowd. This is all much ado about nothing.

FTR, I don't believe the protestors are in the right for blocking the interstate , mainly because they are potentially causing harm to people who need emergency medical care and can't access it. But two wrongs don't make a right. I have yet to see any argument except Daniel's that has convinced me that driving through a crowd would be an acceptable response to this type of situation, and his only because of the very hazardous freight he handles.

CMV:

Commercial Motor Vehicle

A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:

  • Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
  • Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
  • Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
  • Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
  • Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards

Interstate:

Commercial trade, business, movement of goods or money, or transportation from one state to another, regulated by the Federal Department Of Transportation (DOT).

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Tman's Comment
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Honestly I would put this in the category "The sky is falling". Bad stuff happens evwry day and good things happen every day. The media reports the bad stuff, it keeps their listeners/readers tuning back in. The good stuff no one cares much about. You can't go through life worrying about every potential problem that may or may not exist and may or may not happen to you. The odds are so small it is not worth the stress waiting for something to happen that most likely will not. The best you can do for yourself is to prepare your truck and you for the things that do or could happen like breakdowns, bad weather,etc. Keep supplies on hand for bad weather and some tools for breakdowns. And if you are concerned about your truck and you being attacked by unruly mobs, we'll as Clint Eastwood said in Pale Rider "nothing like a good piece of hickory"

Bill F.'s Comment
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I know about Reginald Denny. I also know that one example of a truck driver being brutally assaulted during a riot in the last 25 years hardly shows that this happens nearly enough to be cause for concern.

But when you remember why he was brutally assaulted combined with the title of this thread you should see that it will quite possibly be happening again. Fool me once, etc...

Of course it costs something, but that is the purpose of insurance.

I referenced increased insurance costs as pertaining to the new liberal policy of giving rioters room to destroy. And that is why insurance is rising exponentially in the cities. Nobody in government ever publicly condoned wanton property destruction before this one.

FTR, I don't believe the protestors are in the right for blocking the interstate , mainly because they are potentially causing harm to people who need emergency medical care and can't access it.

So it is OK to block the interstate for social justice warrior causes as long as they let the ambulance through.

Interstate:

Commercial trade, business, movement of goods or money, or transportation from one state to another, regulated by the Federal Department Of Transportation (DOT).

C. S.'s Comment
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But when you remember why he was brutally assaulted combined with the title of this thread you should see that it will quite possibly be happening again. Fool me once, etc...

He was assaulted because he was a victim of circumstance (in the wrong place at the wrong time) and some very degenerate people decided to make him a target of their rage. Nothing more and nothing less. Like almost all random acts of violence, it doesn't have any intrinsic meaning or prove that this is commonplace. Again, this happening a grand total of once in a 25 year period should be enough to show that it's really not something to be worried about.

I referenced increased insurance costs as pertaining to the new liberal policy of giving rioters room to destroy. And that is why insurance is rising exponentially in the cities. Nobody in government ever publicly condoned wanton property destruction before this one.

Would you provide your source for this? I would certainly like to see which government officials have been quoted condoning vandalism. It's also very hard to predict when or if protests will turn into riots, and consequently very hard to maintain control when they do. Law enforcement has to very carefully determine when to use force, as doing so preemptively can often lead to a much bloodier outcome for both civilians and officers. Maybe we should just open fire and execute everyone involved, would that be preferable?

So it is OK to block the interstate for social justice warrior causes as long as they let the ambulance through.

See my use of "mainly".

Interstate:

Commercial trade, business, movement of goods or money, or transportation from one state to another, regulated by the Federal Department Of Transportation (DOT).

Bill F.'s Comment
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Even though she states that is not what she said, that is what she said. Not bothering to look for anymore it nauseates me too much.

Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings

Her actual words

Errol V.'s Comment
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How about dropping the politics and get back to Trucking? There's plenty of popcorn in our own business here.

Crawdaddy's Comment
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I would like to say thanks to everyone, that provided insight into this. I know that I may have ruffled some feathers but, for me it is a good learning point. I will try and be the safest as well. I know I can not control everyone or everything around me. But I want to do right by whatever company I happen to work for, at the end of the day it is their equipment and their customers freight that I am entrusted with. Have a great day!

Errol V.'s Comment
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Crawdaddy, I'd love to get in to conversations like this, for we live in "interesting times". But TT's focus is getting people through trucking school and into a career successfully. I oh-so-much want to make references to the current politics, but I don't want to let topics get hijacked and have to pop popcorn for everybody.

"Popcorn" is kind of a code word here indicating a discussion is getting name-calling ugly.

Crawdaddy's Comment
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Crawdaddy, I'd love to get in to conversations like this, for we live in "interesting times". But TT's focus is getting people through trucking school and into a career successfully. I oh-so-much want to make references to the current politics, but I don't want to let topics get hijacked and have to pop popcorn for everybody.

"Popcorn" is kind of a code word here indicating a discussion is getting name-calling ugly.

I understand, I wasn't making it about politics. It was just about the right approaches to take while working in the trucking industry and dealing with this type of situation.

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