Starting Driver's Log

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Beverly K.'s Comment
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I have an employee that left one state, drove to another state to pick up a load (outside of the 100 air-miles) and started his log from that point. His explanation was that he did not have to do a log while inside the 100 air-miles. My understanding of the rule is that he should have started his log from his point of origin. Who is right?

Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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I don't know about 100 mile rule... but all hours driven for the company including going to shippers and receivers... getting repairs and truck washes should be on duty driving.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

B Y 's Comment
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We were told when it comes to truck in the shop (I'm assuming that is included in your truck repair comment Rainy) that we should log out of the system so no drive time done by the shop employees during repair, testing, etc are counted against your hours. As far as truck washes i always log a few minutes on duty with wash in the remarks but then log off duty for the duration. I've waited an hour in line to have a trailer wash out and i don't want that time counted against my 70. And technically I'm not doing the work...i am literally off duty while they wash it.

Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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We were told when it comes to truck in the shop (I'm assuming that is included in your truck repair comment Rainy) that we should log out of the system so no drive time done by the shop employees during repair, testing, etc are counted against your hours. As far as truck washes i always log a few minutes on duty with wash in the remarks but then log off duty for the duration. I've waited an hour in line to have a trailer wash out and i don't want that time counted against my 70. And technically I'm not doing the work...i am literally off duty while they wash it.

I meant the actual drive portion to the washout.. and to the repairs. about the shop.. that is true.. when i got my truck it has "unassigned hours" from the shop people but I have never not been with my truck in the shop lol. Cause my cat lives on the truck i dont want someone with allergies to be on there... or someone claiming he scratched or bit him. However I did log out once thinking I would outsmart the QC.. it didnt. It kept beeping and yelling that I am assigned to the truck and therefore must log back in unless I have been removed from the truck.

B Y 's Comment
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Gotcha. Yes i do log all hours driving to shop, wash facility, etc.

Errol V.'s Comment
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I have an employee that left one state, drove to another state to pick up a load (outside of the 100 air-miles) and started his log from that point. His explanation was that he did not have to do a log while inside the 100 air-miles. My understanding of the rule is that he should have started his log from his point of origin. Who is right?

If your driver is dispatched to someplace beyond the 100 miles, then he logs dispatched time which starts with a pre-trip inspection of his truck. Your description sounds like a cheat, and can get him any your company in trouble.

Pre-trip Inspection:

A pre-trip inspection is a thorough inspection of the truck completed before driving for the first time each day.

Federal and state laws require that drivers inspect their vehicles. Federal and state inspectors also may inspect your vehicles. If they judge a vehicle to be unsafe, they will put it “out of service” until it is repaired.

Tman's Comment
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FMCSA 395.1 Section (e) (i) (ii) Explains Short haul

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Albert M.'s Comment
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You have to log all the hours driven in the haul. That's what I have been told.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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If you're going to go outside that 100 mile radius at any point you have to use a logbook right from the start of the day. Here is the quote from Learning The Logbook Rules in our High Road Training Program:

100 Air Mile Radius Exception

You are not required to fill out a log with a graph grid if you come under the 100 air mile radius exception. The 100 air mile radius exception applies for any day in which you:

  • Drive within a 100 air-mile radius of your normal work reporting location.
  • Return to your work reporting location and are released within 12 consecutive hours.
  • Follow the 10 hour off duty and 11 hour driving requirements.

Your motor carrier must keep time records of the times you report for and are released from work each day, and the total hours on duty each day. You do not have to have these records in your truck.

This exception is optional. For example, you and your employer may choose to use a logbook even though you are within the 100 air mile radius, so that you do not have to be released from work within 12 hours that day.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Logbook:

A written or electronic record of a driver's duty status which must be maintained at all times. The driver records the amount of time spent driving, on-duty not driving, in the sleeper berth, or off duty. The enforcement of the Hours Of Service Rules (HOS) are based upon the entries put in a driver's logbook.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

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