Recruiter Screwed Me Need Advise

Hi so i got my cdl got hired on did my training went solo put my two weeks in came back 3 months later had to do orintation but this time i got sent hom here is why...first time i worked for the company i told the recruter i got arrested for a dui and it was dissmissed after probation she said it didnt show up so be quiet pretty much second time it showed up so they let me go for falsafiling docs...is this bad on my dac do i tell another company this

Please forgive me if I make any errors trying to make sense of your story. Its not easy trying to decipher writing.

So you got hired with a company and all was good. You got upgraded to a solo driver and during your hometime you got a dui so you quit for 3 months?

After probation the dui got dismissed supposedly and when you came back to that same company they dismissed you for falsifying documents?

I just don't know what to say truthfully. Why in the world would you assume that after getting a dui as a Class A Commercial Driver that it would somehow not show up in your record? And I am willing to bet money you believed you can get away with it and that it would be deleted from your record so you did not disclose the information on your paperwork.

Do you not realize that this extremely serious? This is not something you recover from in this industry within a few months then continue on driving like it never happened.

And after all of this you ask if this is bad on your dac and if you need to report it to your next company. I can't help myself, you're an idiot.

How recent was the dui? It seems on that it didnt show up but then it did the second time.

You followed bad advice. It is never a good idea to hide things, especially a dui. A dui is a major problem to begin with and now you have a termination for falsifying documents on top of it.

I would be upfront with future potential companies. Also make sure you have the documents confirming the dismissal. That may be your only hope.

Hi so i got my cdl got hired on did my training went solo put my two weeks in came back 3 months later had to do orintation but this time i got sent hom here is why...first time i worked for the company i told the recruter i got arrested for a dui and it was dissmissed after probation she said it didnt show up so be quit pretty much second time it showed up so they let me go for falsafiling docs...is this bad on my dac do i tell another company this

I think the OP is saying that BEFORE they got the CDL and went through training the DUI occurred but the original recruiter said it wasn't there so to keep quiet because it didn't show.

Then after they left and returned and did not disclose the DUI, they got dismissed for falsifying records because enough time lapsed that the DMV caught up with it.

Basically you lied to an employer about something serious. Now you are asking us if you should lie to your next employer because you didn't learn from this experience.

The answer is:::: do not lie. And get it through your head that the recruiter did not screw you. You screwed yourself TWICE. Once by driving while intoxicated, putting yourself and others at risk, and once by lying.

You must disclose your real history to all employers and take your lumps for your actions. As far as your DAC? Who knows. The first time you were at the company they listed you as "possible rehire". Although at orientation you never got hired so the DAC might not have been affected if you had gone to another company, they COULD change the status of your original.employment...meaning your only driving experience could have just changed its status to " will not rehire". Which will lead to the question of why.... Hmm. So you screwed yourself a third time cause had you gone to another company the DAC might have been okay.

Try a company with less stringent requirements.

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Looking at his PREVIOUS POSTING HISTORY - he claims he was "arrested but not charged" and it was dismissed. He also indicates the dismissal happened AFTER HE COMPLETED PROBATION.

So what this really was, was a DIVERSION PROGRAM for first time DUI Offenders.

This is DIFFERENT FROM getting arrested for DUI, taking it to trial and WINNING AT TRIAL. You WERE GUILTY OF DUI. You WERE ARRESTED AND CHARGED in reality.

Many folks get the impression that, if they got a "diversion" from a conviction - they were NOT DUI. Insurance companies don't see it this way, as do many (pretty much ALL) trucking companies - they see it as a DUI - PERIOD.

Not sure how you filled out your application - but you SHOULD have listed the DUI - and then explained that you did not sustain A CONVICTION, after successfully completing a diversion program/probation. You probably had to take classes, and have a "blow device" installed in your car too I'll wager.

MANY PEOPLE MISUNDERSTAND how a non-conviction DUI works in the legal sense. While LEGALLY, you weren't convicted - it is NOT THE SAME as if you were NEVER DUI. Anyone who tells you "it just goes away, like it never happened", was LYING TO YOU. IT HAPPENED.

And the DUI WILL SHOW UP on your driving record - and if you were ARRESTED (as in FINGERPRINTED) it WILL SHOW UP in NCIC and any state/county records as a DUI ARREST. The CASE may be dismissed as a result of the diversion program - but the DUI is still a DUI. State DMV's may take some time to catch up with the paperwork from diversion programs, and the case may not have been entered into your MVR for awhile AFTER you completed the probation/program.

As far as TRUCKING COMPANY APPLICATIONS GO - you SHOULD ALWAYS LIST the DUI, along with the explanation of the diversion program and lack of conviction. For most companies, as long as you completed/got off probation 5 years ago or more - you should be good to go - SO LONG AS THIS WAS YOUR ONLY DUI.

If you DID NOT LIST the DUI on your application - thinking it just "went away" - you FALSIFIED YOUR APPLICATION. If your recruiter advised you to not list it - they gave you BAD ADVICE. Or the way you explained it as "Case Dismissed", caused them to believe that you BEAT THE CASE (were found not guilty, or the state decided not to prosecute - ie: dropped the case).

Either way - START APPLYING if the case is older than 5 years - LIST THE DUI along with the explanation of the case disposition (diversion program, case dismissed upon completion), and explain the "misunderstanding" between you and the recruiter, as the reason you didn't list it at your previous company.

DO NOT TELL YOURSELF "I never had a DUI", because YOU DID. You just caught a break, and avoided a CONVICTION.

Have a similar circumstance. I was screwup in '89. Caught a delivery of coke charge - plead it down to possession, no contest - in exchange for probation and a dismissal upon completion. I had to VOP's (technical violations, not new crime arrests) and had to turn myself into jail for them. The charge was dismissed when I completed, and I had the record sealed after the dismissal. When I went to ICE/Border Patrol for my FAST Card interview, they wanted to know about the 3 Delivery of Cocaine arrests in '89 - because I was FINGERPRINTED 3X - and all of them came up on the FBI's NCIC system when they ran a background. NOT A CONVICTION - but an ARREST(s). It's not like I didn't sell the undercover a $20 rock, or that I was never arrested, or that I took it to trial and a jury found me NOT GUILTY.

On applications, I can HONESTLY ANSWER NO FELONY CONVICTIONS - because I HAVE NONE. I also have a minor misdemeanor that was an "adjudication withheld" (no conviction). I can HONESTLY ANSWER I HAVE NO CONVICTIONS.

OTOH - I have a "summary offense citation" in PA (long, funny story). A summary offense is LESS THAN A MISDEMEANOR - and I can HONESTLY ANSWER (still) NO MISDEMEANOR CONVICTIONS. Not even an arrest, no fingerprints, no NCIC - a ticket, a court appearance, a fine, out the door same day. THIS SHOWS UP on by criminal background checks. BUT I ANSWERED HONESTLY. I also have a speeding ticket from like, 2005 - 10 over on an interstate - that for some reason shows up on as a criminal offense (even though it was adjudication withheld, was never arrested or printed).

YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO SHOW UP in the various background checks the companies use. Better to DECLARE AND EXPLAIN - then get jammed up and sent home for falsifying your application.

Since NONE of my little issues were CONVICTIONS, I can honestly answer NO to misdemeanors and felonies CONVICTION QUESTIONS.

Despite all my little fun stuff - I've held a carry permit since '93, have held Federal Firearms Licenses, and a TWIC and Hazmat since '09 - so I guess I'm not THAT BAD.

Rick

Damn - I'm a little wordy this morning.

In a nutshell - like we ALWAYS ADVISE HERE. Give EXACTLY what is asked on an application. If they ask "have you ever been ARRESTED for DUI" - the answer would have been YES. If they asked "have you ever been CONVICTED for DUI" the honest answer would be NO.

Rick

Rick. I wanna KNOW if you TALK like you TYPE. Do you RAISE your EYEBROWS for emphasis, or perhaps SHOUT a LITTLE to get YOUR POINT across? I don't THINK you've EVER posted WITHOUT using intermittent CAPS. The CAPS button on YOUR keyboard must be WORN and FADED.

You post good stuff, but the caps get OLD and lose their IMPACT.

Rick. I wanna KNOW if you TALK like you TYPE. Do you RAISE your EYEBROWS for emphasis, or perhaps SHOUT a LITTLE to get YOUR POINT across? I don't THINK you've EVER posted WITHOUT using intermittent CAPS. The CAPS button on YOUR keyboard must be WORN and FADED.

You post good stuff, but the caps get OLD and lose their IMPACT.

I'm used to being on old-style forums, that were text based - so I'm in the habit of USING CAPS for emphasis. I'm also a 70 WPM touch-typist, so it's way easier for me to hit the caps key with my pinky, than to stop, select text & hit bold/italic/underline for emphasis.

Old habit. Actually - my keyboard is a filthy mess - but my left shift key is the cleanest one - go figure.

I'll try to be more cognizant of my shouting - but my use of caps is CONTEXTUALLY ACCURATE. Whereas your critique of my writing style, is not.

Just sayin. Sorry to frustrate you...

Rick

"Either way - START APPLYING if the case is older than 5 years - LIST THE DUI along with the explanation of the case disposition (diversion program, case dismissed upon completion), and explain the "misunderstanding" between you and the recruiter, as the reason you didn't list it at your previous company."

^^^^^This, and puppy eyes and a case of Dr. Pepper for potential recruiter may get you back in the game.

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