Logging ,Sleeper Berth

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G-Town's Comment
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Unholychaos wrote:

Have an issue with a load and need to contact my DBL (Driver Business Leader), go off duty and remark "CONTACTING DBL."

Contacting your DBL is considered "work", I would not put something like that in remarks to support why you went off-duty. TMI.

Unholychaos's Comment
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Unholychaos wrote:

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Have an issue with a load and need to contact my DBL (Driver Business Leader), go off duty and remark "CONTACTING DBL."

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Contacting your DBL is considered "work", I would not put something like that in remarks to support why you went off-duty. TMI.

Been doing it that way for 6mo, haven't been corrected yet. Took them about 1mo to correct my fueling and 10h breaks off duty. I blame my trainers.

G-Town's Comment
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Unholychaos wrote:

Been doing it that way for 6mo, haven't been corrected yet. Took them about 1mo to correct my fueling and 10h breaks off duty. I blame my trainers.

I guess that makes it right then? Sorry, I don't agree. Schneider isn't the issue...

DOT hasn't seen it yet...they would question it though, especially if it's repeated frequently. Calling your driver manager about a load problem isn't an off-duty activity, by definition it's work. That is an undeniable fact.

You do what you want...I'm offering you advice to avoid potential trouble if you are ever inspected. It's too much information. Go off-duty and either make "no remark" or just "break".

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Driver Manager:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Isaac H.'s Comment
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Just a fyi.

I don't log any on duty time for fueling. I don't log any on duty time at the shippers or receivers. Haven't done so for the past year.

I just had a level 3 inspection done at a weigh station done a few weeks ago. They had me email my hos from my QC to them and the officer inspected them right in front of me. Nothing was ever said. I passed with no violations.

At our company we do have a set of rules they want us to follow that isn't federal (correct me if I'm wrong). For instance you can't be in sleeper for more than 24 hours and with team driving when one person drives the other person can only be off duty for 2 hours before they have to be in sleeper called the passenger rule.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Pianoman's Comment
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I don't log any on duty time for fueling. I don't log any on duty time at the shippers or receivers. Haven't done so for the past year.

Just an fyi..

Those are both HOS violations. The officer who inspected your logs either wasn't very sharp or didn't care.

At our company we do have a set of rules they want us to follow that isn't federal (correct me if I'm wrong). For instance you can't be in sleeper for more than 24 hours and with team driving when one person drives the other person can only be off duty for 2 hours before they have to be in sleeper called the passenger rule.

The 24 hrs in sleeper is not federal regulation as far as I know--I have to check. The passenger rule is federal regulation.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Isaac H.'s Comment
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**whoops, just realized that this thread is about logging sleeper. Sorry about that, lol.

Well then i agree with Rick that as far as the clock is concerned logging sleeper or off duty is basically the same except when it comes to the split break.

Why else can you log 5 hours in the sleeper and 5 off duty and satisfy the 10 hours needed to rest your 11 and 14. You can argue how you're supposed to show it on your logs but when it comes down to it, a 10 hour break is a 10 hour break.

G-Town's Comment
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Isaac got lucky:

Just a fyi.

I don't log any on duty time for fueling. I don't log any on duty time at the shippers or receivers. Haven't done so for the past year.

I just had a level 3 inspection done at a weigh station done a few weeks ago. They had me email my hos from my QC to them and the officer inspected them right in front of me. Nothing was ever said. I passed with no violations.

At our company we do have a set of rules they want us to follow that isn't federal (correct me if I'm wrong). For instance you can't be in sleeper for more than 24 hours and with team driving when one person drives the other person can only be off duty for 2 hours before they have to be in sleeper called the passenger rule.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
G-Town's Comment
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Isaac wrote:

Just a fyi.

I don't log any on duty time for fueling. I don't log any on duty time at the shippers or receivers. Haven't done so for the past year.

I just had a level 3 inspection done at a weigh station done a few weeks ago. They had me email my hos from my QC to them and the officer inspected them right in front of me. Nothing was ever said. I passed with no violations.

Isaac, In reference to the above, just an FYI, I cannot let this go...

The officer didn't do his job, or like Pianoman wrote; "he didn't care". There is nothing "okay" with your approach to this. Both are HOS violations,...you got away with it this time. Offering this as justification to log "off-duty" for something clearly defined as work is really bad advice. Do you log your pre-trip and post-trip as off-duty too? So all you do is drive? ...DOT knows better.

I'll leave you with the same message I gave to Unholychaos; "do what you want". I don't care, it's on you (a citation waiting to happen), but please don't come on the forum offering the above as "information". You are encouraging drivers to cheat.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Bill F.'s Comment
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Just a fyi.

I don't log any on duty time for fueling. I don't log any on duty time at the shippers or receivers. Haven't done so for the past year.

I just had a level 3 inspection done at a weigh station done a few weeks ago. They had me email my hos from my QC to them and the officer inspected them right in front of me. Nothing was ever said. I passed with no violations.

When the DOT audits your companies logs, and they will, you may get caught then. And you may be fined months after the violation. Or your logs may not be audited and you will get away with violating HOS rules. But the more you do it, the more you increase your odds of getting caught.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Jose A.'s Comment
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I’ve had my CDL now for barely a year, so a legit question. When I’m doing my 10-hour reset at a truck stop, am I allowed to log off duty & log out of electronic log or do I have to put sleeper? I just started going over the road. Before I was doing hook & drop work, so I logged off every day to go home. But now I need to know what the actual rule is so I don’t get in trouble. Thanks

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Over The Road:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

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