Paper Logs - Working For Two Carriers?

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Kevin K's Comment
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Calling State Patrol was the only other thing I could think of too.

Daniel B.'s Comment
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Alright fine, I'll come out of hiding.

It is illegal to have more than 1 logbook. If you work for company A in the morning, you'll have to use the same logbook for company B. You cannot use a seperate logbook per company.

So in all reality it is not even worth it.

Logbook:

A written or electronic record of a driver's duty status which must be maintained at all times. The driver records the amount of time spent driving, on-duty not driving, in the sleeper berth, or off duty. The enforcement of the Hours Of Service Rules (HOS) are based upon the entries put in a driver's logbook.

Jeffry T.'s Comment
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Kevin your asking a very odd question. First and foremost your no longer allowed to run paper as the eld mandate went into effect 12-18-17. So that is out. I also can not think of a situation where you would drive for 2 companies on the same day and be required to keep logs. I guess it could be possible but very unusual to say the least.

The part about being required to use an elf is not entirely true there are 3 exceptions to this rule. The company I work for issued me a 1999 freightliner fld they built as a glider kit and recently rebuilt for the second time. Being that this truck is older then a 2000 I am not required to have an elf and can continue to use paper logs. Also if you are not traveling more then 100 air miles from your home base you are not required to use an elf your company is required to tracks your hours. and the last exception is if you don't travel more then 100 air miles normally but you do so less then 8 times in a 30 period you are allowed to use paper logs but should you have to do that a 9th or more times then you are required to use an eld.

∆_Danielsahn_∆'s Comment
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The part about being required to use an elf is not entirely true.....

This is the only time I have seen a truck use an elf.

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Jeffry T.'s Comment
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The part about being required to use an elf is not entirely true.....

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This is the only time I have seen a truck use an elf.

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Darn autocorrect strikes again. smh

PJ's Comment
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I assumed they way he asked the question he wasn’t exempt since its such a narrow band. My apologies

LDRSHIP's Comment
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Just an FYI, the year of the truck is irrelevant. The ENGINE must be prior to 2000. You could buy a 1950's truck, but if you shove an engine built after 2000 in it, than you would be required to have an ELD in it. The date is the manufacture date on the id plate for the engine.

Kevin K's Comment
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I asked my instructor again for a firmer answer. He says the logs that we keep for school are legal logs.

He said I should keep a paper log book that shows my class and work hours and give a copy to my employer so that my electronic logs at work are edited to show my class and work hours.

Both logs would be consistent, and the way I see it, the electronic log then becomes a de facto copy of the paper log.

Note I said de facto...

Electronic Logs:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Jeffry T.'s Comment
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Just an FYI, the year of the truck is irrelevant. The ENGINE must be prior to 2000. You could buy a 1950's truck, but if you shove an engine built after 2000 in it, than you would be required to have an ELD in it. The date is the manufacture date on the id plate for the engine.

This is right I should have been more specific .My truck is equipped with a 1999 Detroit 60s series.

PJ's Comment
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Kevin your sure posing a odd situation here. I’m not sure about the right answer.

If you have the paper log then it is basically transcribed into another companies e log and you sign both I think a case can be made you have 2 log books. Which is illegal. You may run this by the company with the elog because it puts them in the food chain if they buy into it.

Good luck with it

Elog:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

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