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Brock N.'s Comment
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It wasn't an arbitrary statement, it was a statement based on the FMCSA's guidlines. You asked me to provide them, but then you provided it before I could so I didn't.

You are correct that moving in a Wal-Mart should be a yard move, but Chuck S. was describing a method to avoid using yard move to do it. He was, essentially, giving advice on trying to skirt the regulations. If you put your ELD in yard move, it puts your On Duty. If you are On Duty, you can't get a 10-hour reset. The whole point of his post was explaining how to move the truck while remaining Off Duty for 10 hours to get the reset. I don't understand why you are being hostile to my explanation of why his method is based on an incomplete understanding of how the ELD works.

What brought me to the forums months ago was a desire to understand more about truckers and the job they do. I took a job in support side of the transportation industry, and didn't want to rely on filtered reports from other people about the challenges drivers face and the methods they use to overcome them. I've gained a lot of knowledge from reading posts by people like you, and Brett, and a lot of others. When I saw someone make a factually inaccurate post about an aspect of trucking I have some pretty in-depth inside knowledge of, I decided to make an account and try to give back a little to a community I have gained a lot of knowledge from.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
G-Town's Comment
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Hostile? Sorry not this time...

Please refer to the paragraph in my post about my thoughts on the OPs approach to clock preservation. I basically posted the same thing in this thread twice.

And like I said and I stand by this; guidance does not always align 1 for 1 with reality of this job.

And BTW, there is no yard move feature on my QC.

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
∆_Danielsahn_∆'s Comment
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Danielsahn, it sounds like you are running an AOBRD. If you had it before the ELD mandate went into effect last year, it has a completely different set of rules than an ELD made after the mandate.

That is correct. And I think that Swift still uses the AOBRD, too.

G-Town's Comment
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That is correct. And I think that Swift still uses the AOBRD, too.

Swift’s ELD technology is Omnitracs. It’s fully compliant with the latest ruling and at least for the past five years has always functioned as an ELD with full graphs, auto-post location upon a status change...etc. I have not noticed any remarkable difference between when I first started with Omnitracs and now.

Perhaps Errol could shed some additional light on this since he is now a Swift instructor.

Here is a good comparison of the 1988 AOBRD rule vs the latest ELD rule...

1988 AOBRD & current ELD rule comparison

A debt of gratitude Brock...for being the catalyst prompting me to look at this much closer. Thanks.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Brock N.'s Comment
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G-Town, I think we are agreeing, but talking past each other. I think we both agree that this approach to circumventing the ELD is a bad way to try and save clocks. I happily defer to your knowledge and experience when it comes to better ways to use the clock and plan your trips.

My only point in posting was just to say, that if an ELD is built to be compliant with the certification rules, distance does not matter. It will move to the drive line based on speed. If an ELD does not move to the drive line based on speed, it isn't compliant with the ELD Mandate. Bigger companies can, and do, legally make additional restrictions to the systems they have built for their fleets.

And, it bears mentioning, a lot of bigger companies are still using AOBRDs, instead of ELDs. An AOBRD can have a much more flexible set of parameters and still be legal. Nothing I've said about ELDs has any bearing on AOBRDs.

∆_Danielsahn_∆'s Comment
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That is correct. And I think that Swift still uses the AOBRD, too.

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Swift’s ELD technology is Omnitracs. It’s fully compliant with the latest ruling and at least for the past five years has always functioned as an ELD with full graphs, auto-post location upon a status change...etc. I have not noticed any remarkable difference between when I first started with Omnitracs and now.

Perhaps Errol could shed some additional light on this since he is now a Swift instructor.

Here is a good comparison of the 1988 AOBRD rule vs the latest ELD rule...

1988 AOBRD & current ELD rule comparison

A debt of gratitude Brock...for being the catalyst prompting me to look at this much closer. Thanks.

Back when they did the elog blitz, I got a Qualcomm msg saying that if we got checked, to tell the DOT officer we had an AOBRD, and not an ELD. I wasn't sure if anything was updated, since. Omnitracs,I am guessing, is just the flavor of AOBRD.

Elog:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Qualcomm:

Omnitracs (a.k.a. Qualcomm) is a satellite-based messaging system with built-in GPS capabilities built by Qualcomm. It has a small computer screen and keyboard and is tied into the truck’s computer. It allows trucking companies to track where the driver is at, monitor the truck, and send and receive messages with the driver – similar to email.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
JuiceBox's Comment
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When I was assigned a new truck a month or so ago, it would put me on drive at 5 mph for the first few days. This drove me nuts! I started my clock on the drive line a few times because I was used to the old system. One day I was leaving the TA in Duncan, SC and noticed that I was still on line 4 as I was sitting at the light waiting to make a left turn. I just figured it had factory settings and then my company changed it to their custom settings over night.

Robert D. (Raptor)'s Comment
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When I drove before, we didn't have these electronics in the our day cabs. But for a month I did aggregate for the company because one of their drivers was in the hospital. It didn't change my pay. Anyway, when we got to the shipper we would way in empty, then drive withe lead car for some 3-5 miles on the property. If I had had a elog system would that have put me on duty or drive line?? Just wondering? Some times when we would be brought in by the lead car or truck(pick-up), we would sit for a few minutes why these big excavators would be traveling around the property. It would seem to me that even though you are moving, your not out on the road, but still on the shippers property.

Elog:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

Day Cab:

A tractor which does not have a sleeper berth attached to it. Normally used for local routes where drivers go home every night.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
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