Legal Purposes For Doing Both A Pre-trip And Post-trip

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Don's Comment
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I do both each day, but I often wonder why both a pre-trip and a post-trip are legally required. I can understand doing either, but then with a truck sitting overnight (as in my case), why would I need to do a pre-trip if I did a post-trip 10 hours before and found no issues? If I were slip seating with another driver who used the vehicle after/before I do, I definitely see the purpose. Just one of those curious "hmmm, I wonder why?", types of questions that may pop up in we newer drivers heads.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Gladhand's Comment
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A couple things. Someone could have pulled your 5th wheel, a slow leaking tire deflated, and someone could have a tied a poop bag to your trailer (believe me or not this actually happened).

Pupil2Prodigy's Comment
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I've read about the 5th wheel stunts but geez >_>

Don's Comment
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I should have stated in my original post that I am referring to regulations/law, not to what some idiot may do to my tractor. Also, I drive day cab where I drive my regularly assigned tractor to another location to pick up a loaded trailer. The trailer I pick up, I definitely do a pre-trip on. To not do so would be foolish.

A couple things. Someone could have pulled your 5th wheel, a slow leaking tire deflated, and someone could have a tied a poop bag to your trailer (believe me or not this actually happened).

Day Cab:

A tractor which does not have a sleeper berth attached to it. Normally used for local routes where drivers go home every night.

G-Town's Comment
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Here is the law:

Pre-trip & post-trip FMCSA regulation

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Jamie's Comment
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I've wondered the same thing, although I do both. I always make sure to check my 5th wheel to make sure some idiot didn't pull it trying to be funny, and I always do a tug test even after checking it. Better safe than sorry. But still, I'm glad I did my post trip the other night, I found one of my drive tired blown, so got it fixed during my 10 hour break.

G-Town's Comment
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I've wondered the same thing, although I do both. I always make sure to check my 5th wheel to make sure some idiot didn't pull it trying to be funny, and I always do a tug test even after checking it. Better safe than sorry. But still, I'm glad I did my post trip the other night, I found one of my drive tired blown, so got it fixed during my 10 hour break.

Jamie did you happen to read the link in my reply to Don?

Jamie's Comment
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I've wondered the same thing, although I do both. I always make sure to check my 5th wheel to make sure some idiot didn't pull it trying to be funny, and I always do a tug test even after checking it. Better safe than sorry. But still, I'm glad I did my post trip the other night, I found one of my drive tired blown, so got it fixed during my 10 hour break.

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Jamie did you happen to read the link in my reply to Don?

I did, I replied before reading it.

Big Scott (CFI Driver/Tra's Comment
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I do one logged DVIR every day. If I skip a day, I get a message asking for it. I usually do a walk around inspection at the end of the day. I always do a tug test before moving.

Don's Comment
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Big Scott, I Ddon't have to worry about doing a tug test on a pre-trip dvir as I am parked bobtail at the manufacturer overnight. When I come in, I do a pre-trip on my tractor, then bobtail to where my first loaded trailer is located. I then do a pre-trip on that trailer and subsequent ones as well throughout the day. At the end of the day, after bobtailing back to the manufacturer, I do a post-trip on the tractor, then go home. No one uses my tractor during the night, so besides checking the tires for inflation, I would assume the tractor is in the same condition as when I did my post-trip the day before. Again, my op wasn't about the merits of doing pre- and post-trips, but on the legal requirements for doing so. G-Town's link was an interesting read, but confused me more on why both are required.

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

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