Split Sleeper Berth Question....am I Missing Something.

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Davy A.'s Comment
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So this is a question from the High Road CDL training. How are they achieving their answer. Im stumped on this one. If it follows the same example in the manual its as follows.

Start of new 11 hour and 14 hour clocks at 0700. 14 hour clock will expire at 2100. On Duty 0700 - 1000 3 hours on duty. Driving 1000 - 1400 4 hours driving (7 hours remaining on 14 Hr Clock). Sleeper Berth 1400 - 2200 8 hours (moves 14 hr clock from original expiration of 2100 to 0500, still 7 hours remain on clock). Driving 2200 - 0500 7 hours driving (uses remaining 7 hours of 14 Hr Clock). Off duty 0500 - 0700 2 hours off duty (plus 8 consecutive sleeper berth hours prior equals 10 hours off duty).

According to the manual the afore mentioned example resets both the 14 hour and 11 hour clock.

Yet this is from the test question. Im confused on how it gets to the 5 and 4 hour answer. Any help would be appreciated.

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CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Sleeper Berth:

The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.

Turtle's Comment
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Think of the split as two separate segments. Both segments must be completed to achieve a split. Upon completion of both segments, the 11 and 14 will be reset from the end of the first of those segments.

In your example above, the 8-hour was the first segment and the 2-hour was the second. Upon completion of the 2 hour, the 11 and 14 were reset from the end of the 8-hour. He then drove 7, leaving 4 on the 11. But even though he stopped driving, his 14 didn't stop for that 2-hour break. By the end of that 2-hour break, he had taken nine off his 14, leaving him 5. That's where the 5 and 4 answer comes from.

Clear as mud? The split is perhaps the hardest thing for people to wrap their minds around.

So let's go further and say that after the 2-hour nap, he drove the remaining four, then went in the sleeper for 8 hours. He will have completed another two segment split, and the 11 and 14 will be reset from the end of the first segment (the 2hr break). He'll come out of the sleeper with 7 on his 11 and 10 on his 14.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Davy A.'s Comment
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Actually totally makes sense now, thank you very much. I was thinking they reset from the end of the last segment, not the first. I missed that it was the first when I read through it.

Turtle's Comment
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Of course, the new hos rule regarding 2/8 and 3/7 splits adds even more advantageous options for the driver. The basic principles are the same, but for the purposes of this discussion I stuck to the content of your question.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Errol V.'s Comment
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Of course, the new hos rule regarding 2/8 and 3/7 splits adds even more advantageous options for the driver. The basic principles are the same, but for the purposes of this discussion I stuck to the content of your question.

Hey Turtle, let's bring the new rules up now.

Old: 8 hr in the sleeper, plus a second break of 2 hours off duty or sleeper. (8 or 2 in either order)

New: 7 hours minimum in the sleeper, plus 2 hours minimum off duty or sleeper, in either order. BUT you still need a total of 10 hours. So that extra, flexible, hour works to the driver's advantage.

As I always do, here's a link to the original facts: FMCSA Summary of Hours of Service Regulations

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
JakeBreak's Comment
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Hey Turtle, let's bring the new rules up now.

Old: 8 hr in the sleeper, plus a second break of 2 hours off duty or sleeper. (8 or 2 in either order)

New: 7 hours minimum in the sleeper, plus 2 hours minimum off duty or sleeper, in either order. BUT you still need a total of 10 hours. So that extra, flexible, hour works to the driver's advantage.

As I always do, here's a link to the original facts: FMCSA Summary of Hours of Service Regulations

Those new HOS are the best thing to happen in trucking since I've started driving. I drive reefer and it's not uncommon to be stuck at a dock for 4 or 5 hrs. Now I don't have to worry about the 14 at all. I went from managing 3 clocks to 2.

Example last time I went home. I had a delivery set for 1600, the cons usually unloads early, so I went in at 0600. They were really busy that day. They were still catching up from the snowstorm so they told me they weren't able to unload me til my appt time. I was able to get to the truckstop down the road and take a 7hr break before I had to be back. I went back and sat for 5 hrs getting unloaded and so I started out from there with an almost full clock. I had a couple mins off my drive time and 14 from driving to the cons from the truckstop but the 14 stopping for the 5hr unload saved me and allowed me to pick up my next load and deliver on time to get home.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

Reefer:

A refrigerated trailer.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
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