Who Is Only Testing Urine In 2021?

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Mark O. ~MiNi-Me~'s Comment
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Having my scalp butchered yesterday at the Knight terminal in Phoenix, I can assure you they do both urine and hair testing. I actually took the initiative to do my own test at a reputable lab a few weeks ago to make sure that my birthday edible in May had cleared my system. I had the lab use body hair, which has a propensity to hold the THC for longer periods, so my sample yesterday should be just fine.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

EPU:

Electric Auxiliary Power Units

Electric APUs have started gaining acceptance. These electric APUs use battery packs instead of the diesel engine on traditional APUs as a source of power. The APU's battery pack is charged when the truck is in motion. When the truck is idle, the stored energy in the battery pack is then used to power an air conditioner, heater, and other devices

Vicki M.'s Comment
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As of mid April, Wilson only does urine. Might have changed since then, but I doubt it. That being said, I had been prescribed opiate pain meds for years, but just decided to wait the 3 months, even though I had current prescriptions. Better safe than a questionable drug test IMHO

TwoSides11's Comment
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TwoSides11, not trying to discourage you from contributing but looking at several of your posts, its best not to comment unless you are sure you are correct. If someone saw just your comment before anyone else corrected misinformation it could get them in a world of trouble.

Hi Mikey B. Not discouraged at all. I have no problem with being corrected. Definitely not trying to misinform anyone either. I post the experience I'm going through to try and help out anyone else in my position.

You insinuate that i have made several posts that are incorrect, do you mind pointing them out? I agree 100% I shouldn't have posted on this topic. But if you can let me know of other posts I've made that are false, I would greatly appreciate it. All for the purpose of learning. Same for anyone else who have found that I have been making misleading or misinformed posts. Please let me know

I think this site is awesome and members on here have given me some great information and insight to this career field. My intentions are merely to pay it forward to others. Thanks and stay safe!

Lu A.'s Comment
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So even if one has quit (I last smoked in June, and smoked regularly for several years) and I test negative on a urine sample but my hair follicle reveals that I smoked a few months ago, I would be denied the opportunity to become a truck driver? Even though I'm not smoking now? I studied for my and passed the test, and I'm attempting to nail down a training school. Do I need to wait a few more months?

Having my scalp butchered yesterday at the Knight terminal in Phoenix, I can assure you they do both urine and hair testing. I actually took the initiative to do my own test at a reputable lab a few weeks ago to make sure that my birthday edible in May had cleared my system. I had the lab use body hair, which has a propensity to hold the THC for longer periods, so my sample yesterday should be just fine.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

EPU:

Electric Auxiliary Power Units

Electric APUs have started gaining acceptance. These electric APUs use battery packs instead of the diesel engine on traditional APUs as a source of power. The APU's battery pack is charged when the truck is in motion. When the truck is idle, the stored energy in the battery pack is then used to power an air conditioner, heater, and other devices

Mark O. ~MiNi-Me~'s Comment
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So even if one has quit (I last smoked in June, and smoked regularly for several years) and I test negative on a urine sample but my hair follicle reveals that I smoked a few months ago, I would be denied the opportunity to become a truck driver? Even though I'm not smoking now? I studied for my and passed the test, and I'm attempting to nail down a training school. Do I need to wait a few more months?

As an occasional user, I quit back in May when I started to look at this career change seriously. After reading about the hair tests, I wanted to make sure that everything was out of my system. Once you test for a preemployment screening, if you fail you are reported to a national clearinghouse and your career is over before it begins.Hence my reasoning for a private test. Just got my results today from Knight and I am clean as a whistle!

Old School's Comment
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So even if one has quit (I last smoked in June, and smoked regularly for several years) and I test negative on a urine sample but my hair follicle reveals that I smoked a few months ago, I would be denied the opportunity to become a truck driver?

Lu A, I would not risk a failed drug test. In this business it is the kiss of death. It won't just keep you from getting the job you were trying to get, it will keep you from getting a job anywhere. This is a serious matter and you want to take it that way.

I recommend people keep themselves clean for one year before attempting a hair test. Plenty of people think that is overkill, but we have seen and heard so many sad stories in here from former users who failed a hair test even though they haven't smoked in 6 to 9 months. It is one thing that you have got to make sure of. You cannot afford a failed drug test.

In your situation, I would highly recommend you go to a company that is only doing a urine test. This is not an easy career to break into. It is an almost impossible one with a failed drug test at the start.

Kerry L.'s Comment
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So even if one has quit (I last smoked in June, and smoked regularly for several years) and I test negative on a urine sample but my hair follicle reveals that I smoked a few months ago, I would be denied the opportunity to become a truck driver? Even though I'm not smoking now? I studied for my and passed the test, and I'm attempting to nail down a training school. Do I need to wait a few more months?

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As an occasional user, I quit back in May when I started to look at this career change seriously. After reading about the hair tests, I wanted to make sure that everything was out of my system. Once you test for a preemployment screening, if you fail you are reported to a national clearinghouse and your career is over before it begins.Hence my reasoning for a private test. Just got my results today from Knight and I am clean as a whistle!

I don't think hair follicle failed tests are reported to the clearinghouse because DOT does not recognize hair follicle testing. I could be wrong, but I would be surprised if I am not.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Old School's Comment
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Kerry, you are correct in that they are not supposed to send those to the clearing house. But that doesn't keep them from putting it on your DAC. Once it is there you will not be able to find a job. It is a harsh reality, but these trucking companies will make sure your failed hair follicle test is able to be seen by other potential employers.

There is also that nagging question on those federal documents that asks, "Have you ever failed a drug test?" What do you think? Should you perjure yourself on a federal document?

It is also only a matter of time before the FMCSA starts recognizing the hair tests as part of their drug testing recommendations. It is already being considered in their meetings.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Kerry L.'s Comment
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Kerry, you are correct in that they are not supposed to send those to the clearing house. But that doesn't keep them from putting it on your DAC. Once it is there you will not be able to find a job. It is a harsh reality, but these trucking companies will make sure your failed hair follicle test is able to be seen by other potential employers.

There is also that nagging question on those federal documents that asks, "Have you ever failed a drug test?" What do you think? Should you perjure yourself on a federal document?

It is also only a matter of time before the FMCSA starts recognizing the hair tests as part of their drug testing recommendations. It is already being considered in their meetings.

Myself, if I were in the circumstance of choosing to use a banned substance, I would be able to answer "No" in good conscience if the failed test were a hair follicle test. I say this because as it pertains to the federal government, a DOT regulated drug test is a urinalysis. Anything else is not a drug test, as it pertains to DOT. Trucking companies don't want to have to worry about drug using drivers, so it makes sense that they will everything they can to keep them out of the industry.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Lu A.'s Comment
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Thanks Kerry L, I think what I'll do is take a test myself and see what the results reveal. I took a urine test over a month ago for a job and I was clean. Be a shame to restrict my career opportunities over something that I have given up. But you are correct don't want to get stopped before I've even started. I'm close to picking Swift for training, though I'm still looking at Wilson and TMC as alternatives, not happy that Swift is only using automatics, not a deal breaker but I think (perhaps incorrectly) that it would be better career wise to know how to drive a manual.

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So even if one has quit (I last smoked in June, and smoked regularly for several years) and I test negative on a urine sample but my hair follicle reveals that I smoked a few months ago, I would be denied the opportunity to become a truck driver?

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Lu A, I would not risk a failed drug test. In this business it is the kiss of death. It won't just keep you from getting the job you were trying to get, it will keep you from getting a job anywhere. This is a serious matter and you want to take it that way.

I recommend people keep themselves clean for one year before attempting a hair test. Plenty of people think that is overkill, but we have seen and heard so many sad stories in here from former users who failed a hair test even though they haven't smoked in 6 to 9 months. It is one thing that you have got to make sure of. You cannot afford a failed drug test.

In your situation, I would highly recommend you go to a company that is only doing a urine test. This is not an easy career to break into. It is an almost impossible one with a failed drug test at the start.

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