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Big Scott (CFI's biggest 's Comment
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CFI allows you to carry. It is still up to the driver to know the rules.

With that said, I have never been anywhere where I felt unsafe.

If your load is that valuable, then the company should provide security.

Ryan K.'s Comment
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One thing I have considered going OTR with that might comply with all laws would be a high-powered Air gun. These require no special licensing and do not fit into the same category as a gun. There are however some really powerful .45 and even.50 cal air guns made by a company in Texas, can't recall the name off the top of my head. They are like a BB/pullet gun on steroids and would most likely neutralize any life-threatening situations. The only complications I could see would be with the company policy of no weapons in the truck, which is very loosely worded, even your kitchen knife used for cooking could be a weapon, and your company might consider your air gun a weapon. As far as laws go, I don't know of any state that outlaws carrying bb/air guns in your vehicle or concealing air guns. So this could be a possible solution workaround. Check out Airforceairguns. Good stuff.

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Mr. Curmudgeon's Comment
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... As far as laws go, I don't know of any state that outlaws carrying bb/air guns in your vehicle or concealing air guns. So this could be a possible solution workaround. Check out Airforceairguns. Good stuff.

Ryan, Prickster's Pigsty on the Prairie (ok, Illinois) statutes define a firearm as any item which expels a projectile .18 inch diameter or greater at a speed in excess of 700 fps. IL FOID ACT - FIREARM DEFINED

I can't speak for any other state, but I am certain that there would likely be at least several of the other "woke" States with similar laws. I spent 28 years immersed in knowing and applying the nuances of the Illinois Compiled Statutes, and I am a strong supporter of 2A. Supporting 2A also means expecting adherence to the laws on the books. Large bore, >=700 fps IS a firearm in Ilinois.

While a company may proclaim themselves free of legal restraint... if you are going to carry one of these, know with certainty the laws in each state you'll travel, and forget crossing any National borders...

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Kerry L.'s Comment
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I am not yet a driver nor a gun enthusiast, but from what I’ve read and conversations I’ve had with the gun enthusiasts I know I can say two things. First, most companies specifically prohibit firearms of any kind in their trucks unless called for by them for a particular purpose. And second, when you travel between states you are required to know the laws in every state you enter, and are expected to follow them. No exceptions or excuses. Sounds to me like you aren’t at all prepared from that standpoint, and you didn’t mention discussing this with your employer so I’m assuming you plan to carry without their knowledge. All in all a very bad idea.

Gregg

Don't individual shipper/receivers have policies on this? The only places I could see that a firearm might possibly be needed are when docked in a not so nice area. If a firearm ends up being discharged on a shipper/receiver's property that has a policy against it (or potentially a law forbidding it at some locations) that could cause some major issues with future employment, could it not? I obviously don't have any applicable experience here, but I am wondering out loud.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

PackRat's Comment
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The pellet rifle I have at home is a .177 Caliber Crossman.

Mr. Curmudgeon's Comment
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PackRat, I know you are in IL. Your Crossman is likely under 700 fps so you dont need foid and it's not considered a firearm. The key elements are "single globular projectile not exceeding .18.inch or whuch has a muzzle.velocity not exceding 700 fps" (BB's are .177 cal, most bb guns are about 550 to 600 fps).

The super bb guns (900+ fps) rifled and set up to shoot .177 cal pellets are firearms. Some would also, if they were bellends and wanted to mess, could say that a pellet shooter using a .177 gun at less than 700fps is using a firearm since they arent using the globular projectile. As them NYC fellers once said.. "Its Tricky".

Mr. Curmudgeon's Comment
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Steven, as to your original post, if you're pulling a real high value load it is.possible that the shipper has a.shadow already set up. I once ran a load of Rx meds from Cincinnati to St.Louis. Had to wait for the load to be ready, started late evening with a full clock. Driving across southern IL I am certain i was followed, auto stayed about 1/2 mile behind the whole way, matched my speed 63mph truck in a 70 zone), wouldnt catch up or pass. Notified my dispatcher who said "ok, i will let.them.know"

I later learned from a guy that retired from a west coast PD that his retirement gig is high value cargo security. They follow the high-value loads at a reasonable distance to monitor for hijacking, or more likely, cargo diversion.

Good.luck on the hi value transport, though!

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

Dispatcher:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
PackRat's Comment
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PackRat, I know you are in IL.

NOT. Never be a resident there; just drive through and spend no money.

Kerry L.'s Comment
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Steven, as to your original post, if you're pulling a real high value load it is.possible that the shipper has a.shadow already set up. I once ran a load of Rx meds from Cincinnati to St.Louis. Had to wait for the load to be ready, started late evening with a full clock. Driving across southern IL I am certain i was followed, auto stayed about 1/2 mile behind the whole way, matched my speed 63mph truck in a 70 zone), wouldnt catch up or pass. Notified my dispatcher who said "ok, i will let.them.know"

I later learned from a guy that retired from a west coast PD that his retirement gig is high value cargo security. They follow the high-value loads at a reasonable distance to monitor for hijacking, or more likely, cargo diversion.

Good.luck on the hi value transport, though!

Big Pharma is serious about their products and those companies do not mind spending large sums to protect their products and business.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

Dispatcher:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Mr. Curmudgeon's Comment
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PackRat, I know you are in IL.

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NOT. Never be a resident there; just drive through and spend no money.

Sorry, my bad. Thought you were in the Joliet area... gotta bounce back to the locator on this one..

No offense intended!!!! ;)

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