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How do you feel about driver facing cameras?

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Cwc's Comment
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So if I get a truck with a driver facing camera can I request selfies?good-luck-2.gifgood-luck-2.gifsmile.gif

Tractor Man's Comment
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Sure, Drive recklessly, slam on the brakes, speed in construction zones, etc. Safety will be glad to call you in and show them to you!

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Cwc's Comment
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I'd rather the pictures from a few months back when two girls in a convertible were waving and smiling... I'm sure the look on my face as I sat at that stoplight on my third month out on the road was priceless.

miracleofmagick's Comment
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The part that gets me is the claim that they are an invasion of privacy. What privacy do you expect in the cab of the truck? That is your work space and yes the company has every right to observe to you in those spaces, though in reality you only get observed if an event triggers the camera.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
G-Town's Comment
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Accountability in the golden age of entitlement? Quite a dicotemy isn't it.

I gave up trying to reason with the likes of Mr. M and FarmerBob...Brett, Errol, Paul, et all,...great job dropping the hammer of knowledge on them! Probably did them no good, but everyone else benefitted from it.

And Bryan? God Bless you Man...you'll never stop learning if you keep an open mind, listen, and maintain a positive attitude. I think you'll thrive in this business.

Ignorance is not bliss, just ignorance and the source of most mis-information here and everywhere else on the Internet. Camera FUD is at the very top of the list.

Reaper's Comment
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Accountability in the golden age of entitlement? Quite a dicotemy isn't it.

I gave up trying to reason with the likes of Mr. M and FarmerBob...Brett, Errol, Paul, et all,...great job dropping the hammer of knowledge on them! Probably did them no good, but everyone else benefitted from it.

And Bryan? God Bless you Man...you'll never stop learning if you keep an open mind, listen, and maintain a positive attitude. I think you'll thrive in this business.

Ignorance is not bliss, just ignorance and the source of most mis-information here and everywhere else on the Internet. Camera FUD is at the very top of the list.

I hope im not on the give up to reason with list... i think im one of the few people who actually like the idea of driving cameras double regular. I had my eyes on the 4 camera system to br honest. I like more camera viewpoints not just for my own protection but if properly angled they could be of amazing use to quickly view if your blind spots are occupied

Farmerbob1's Comment
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If you feel differently, great. I respect your opinion, even if you don't respect mine.

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It's not that. The problem is that everything you said is either unfounded rumors or has already been debunked a hundred times, like the 'invasion of privacy' thing. I can understand if people don't want cameras or aren't comfortable with them. But all of your statements have "that's only vague scuttlebutt", "I've heard they may", or "It is my understanding".

Are you familiar with the name of our website? Been around 10 years now. It's not TruckingRumors, TruckingBaloney, TruckingAssumptions .......stick with sharing the facts you know.

If you do not agree to read this entire post before responding, don't bother reading it.

First, anything that violates personal privacy is an invasion of privacy. By definition. Period.

Second, your rights to personal privacy are limited, in many cases, by the rights of others to monitor their property or person, whether by waiver or law.

Third, even if others are legally allowed to violate your privacy, it doesn't change the fact that violating your privacy is STILL an invasion of privacy.

Fourth, when you acquire a CDL , you legally give up a great deal of privacy rights via implied consent. Even if the truck is your home, proper authorities of the government have a right to search it at any time, without a warrant. If you drive a company truck, the company will certainly require you to sign waivers limiting your privacy so they can monitor their equipment.

Fifth, again, the fact that you have given up the right to privacy does not mean that your privacy is not being violated when the government searches your truck, or your company mounts a driver-facing camera.

Do not confuse invasion of privacy with waived privacy rights. I get to chose what I consider to be an invasion of my privacy. Nobody else does. Period. The government, my employer, banks, ATMs, the internet, etc., can force me to waive some aspects of my privacy rights in order for me to go places, be employed, use services, or whatever. This is legal fact. Period.

However, even when I waive my privacy rights, it does not change the fact that my privacy can be and is violated. If, in my personal opinion, I am being required by my company to waive too much of my personal privacy, then I can act to address my loss of privacy. You have absolutely no say in this matter.

At this point in time, driver-facing cameras have insufficient benefits (for drivers) for me to consider them worth the invasion of privacy that they represent for me. This may change in time as camera technology improves, but it is my opinion, at this time. You have absolutely no say in this matter.

As for your concerns about the name of the website, I would like to draw your attention to the title of the thread. "How do you feel about driver facing cameras." What I have said about how I feel about driver facing cameras is both a fact and the truth. You have absolutely no say in tis matter.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Old School's Comment
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Friends, this is Brett's sand box and he can determine who gets to play in it, and whose comments get deleted. Sometimes he may "feel" you guys are invading his privacy.

You have absolutely no say in this matter.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Farmerbob1's Comment
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Friends, this is Brett's sand box and he can determine who gets to play in it, and whose comments get deleted. Sometimes he may "feel" you guys are invading his privacy.

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You have absolutely no say in this matter.

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Nobody but me has any say in what I believe. Anyone that is willing to have an intelligent conversation with me can feel free to try to change my mind, but you won't do that with insults.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Rick S.'s Comment
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However, even when I waive my privacy rights, it does not change the fact that my privacy can be and is violated. If, in my personal opinion, I am being required by my company to waive too much of my personal privacy, then I can act to address my loss of privacy. You have absolutely no say in this matter.

At this point in time, driver-facing cameras have insufficient benefits (for drivers) for me to consider them worth the invasion of privacy that they represent for me. This may change in time as camera technology improves, but it is my opinion, at this time. You have absolutely no say in this matter.

I'm hearing you here FB. And the board has gone "round & round" on this topic a number of times (kinda why I stayed off this one).

But what it comes down to - is that YOU are not the one who gets to decide if the camera has a benefit to THE COMPANY. The camera is NOT THERE TO BENEFIT THE DRIVER. If the driver happens to derive some benefit (by a CYA in the event of an accident), great - but that's not why it's there.

It's a statistical fact of human behavior - that we BEHAVE BETTER when we think/know we are being observed.

You only get to decide, if you are willing to "waive" that privacy right, in order to obtain/remain employed by a company that chooses to use them FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY CHOOSE.

What you THINK about it - is actually the way you FEEL about it. Which is the crux of the topic (and that's just fine) - but not the REALITY OF THE SITUATION (which is also just fine).

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What it comes down to for me - is I have to weigh if ALL THE OTHER BENEFITS of working for an employer that uses these camera's - outweighs the fact they might see me picking my nose (or eating an oreo) while I am OPERATING THEIR EQUIPMENT.

Rick

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

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