Got Pulled Over!

Lol yeah I know. Personal conveyance comes in handy when you a few miles from burger king and really want it your way ;)

Lmao

Gtown does swift even allow This?

He** no! The driver in question was a Prime L/O.

And, it has been almost a week and he has not been back to this thread. Dying to here about the outcome with Prime.

Oops....hear not here.

Personal conveyance is for personal reason. Ie getting lunch hair cut grocery shopping etc. It's not for furthering a load.

Telling the officer I ran out of time and used it well buddy that's what trip planning is for.

However if you used it because you woke up from a nap starved and thirsty well then.

In the original posters case - he wasn't put OOS - because he still HAD TIME ON HIS CLOCK. Had he been doing this, because he clock had run out - he would have gotten TWO CITATIONS - the log falsification (driving off duty) AND the driving while out of hours PLUS been put OOS (and not been able to move an inch) until he got time back on his clock (10 hours off/reset).

We are still waiting to hear back both from a Primate who was going to ask if this was BOBTAIL ONLY, and if the OP was actually told he could use it to do an equipment move to a rest area from a receiver after a drop (and I seriously doubt Prime would tell you this).

Every citation goes on Primes CSA score - and Pre-Pass or not, if their score starts to get bad (especially on log violations and falsifications), a lot of y'all Prime drivers are going to stop getting by-passes and start getting looked at.

Rick

If they did tell him that it was unofficially

Rick...I can absolutely tell you that I have been told by several dispatchers that off duty driving from a receiver to parking is not only permissible but preferred whether I have hours or not.

And I was once sitting for six hours waiting for a load and got tired of being on the street...wanted a restroom and food...and told I messed up the guys preplan...which makes no sense cause if he had a load he'd just assign it to me. Made me call logs and get it change to off duty driving. So yes, they encourage it

Rick...I can absolutely tell you that I have been told by several dispatchers that off duty driving from a receiver to parking is not only permissible but preferred whether I have hours or not.

And I was once sitting for six hours waiting for a load and got tired of being on the street...wanted a restroom and food...and told I messed up the guys preplan...which makes no sense cause if he had a load he'd just assign it to me. Made me call logs and get it change to off duty driving. So yes, they encourage it

Rainy you know I have great respect for you and Prime. However I sincerely hope you don't get caught with zero hours, logged ... Goes without saying they likely won't be paying any fines.

Rick...I can absolutely tell you that I have been told by several dispatchers that off duty driving from a receiver to parking is not only permissible but preferred whether I have hours or not.

And I was once sitting for six hours waiting for a load and got tired of being on the street...wanted a restroom and food...and told I messed up the guys preplan...which makes no sense cause if he had a load he'd just assign it to me. Made me call logs and get it change to off duty driving. So yes, they encourage it

Rainy you might want to scroll back a few pages and read Bud's post about this, highly relevant.

Rick...I can absolutely tell you that I have been told by several dispatchers that off duty driving from a receiver to parking is not only permissible but preferred whether I have hours or not.

And I was once sitting for six hours waiting for a load and got tired of being on the street...wanted a restroom and food...and told I messed up the guys preplan...which makes no sense cause if he had a load he'd just assign it to me. Made me call logs and get it change to off duty driving. So yes, they encourage it

Rainy you know I have great respect for you and Prime. However I sincerely hope you don't get caught with zero hours, logged ... Goes without saying they likely won't be paying any fines.

Rick...I can absolutely tell you that I have been told by several dispatchers that off duty driving from a receiver to parking is not only permissible but preferred whether I have hours or not.

And I was once sitting for six hours waiting for a load and got tired of being on the street...wanted a restroom and food...and told I messed up the guys preplan...which makes no sense cause if he had a load he'd just assign it to me. Made me call logs and get it change to off duty driving. So yes, they encourage it

Rainy you might want to scroll back a few pages and read Bud's post about this, highly relevant.

GTown,

I've read all the posts. I was just pointing out what I have experienced. And as a new driver I did what I was told. Now I do what I want hahaha.

I've since told dispatch flat out "no".

Sincerely glad to hear that Rainy.

Rainy,

How do you stay logged off duty, while you're moving? I thought it automatically changed to driving after a few minutes/over a certain speed? I know some systems allow you to LOG OUT of QC, and it keeps your Off Duty status going.

Rick...I can absolutely tell you that I have been told by several dispatchers that off duty driving from a receiver to parking is not only permissible but preferred whether I have hours or not.

And I was once sitting for six hours waiting for a load and got tired of being on the street...wanted a restroom and food...and told I messed up the guys preplan...which makes no sense cause if he had a load he'd just assign it to me. Made me call logs and get it change to off duty driving. So yes, they encourage it

And you might want to check with safety or logs on this point. Dispatchers are sometimes infamous for bending the rules (or just plain not knowing them - especially, if they aren't drivers or haven't worked in the safety department - they just MIGHT NOT BE AWARE of the rules). For most of them that aren't CDL holders - the most they know about HOS , is what they see on their screen when they pull up YOUR LOGS.

This is 150% a log falsification. It's the same exact scenario the OP got stroked for. If you are OUT OF HOURS ALSO - you'll get put OOS on the spot and get a second citation.

Let's re-visit the "guidance" from FMCSA.

Question 26: If a driver is permitted to use a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) for personal reasons, how must the driving time be recorded? Guidance: a driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work, time spent traveling from a driver’s home to his/her terminal (normal work reporting location), or from a driver’s terminal to his/her home, may be considered off-duty time. Similarly, time spent traveling short distances from a driver’s en route lodgings (such as en route terminals or motels) to restaurants in the vicinity of such lodgings may be considered off-duty time. The type of conveyance used from the terminal to the driver’s home, from the driver’s home to the terminal, or to restaurants in the vicinity of en route lodgings would not alter the situation unless the vehicle is laden. A driver may not operate a laden CMV as a personal conveyance. The driver who uses a motor carrier’s Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) for transportation home, and is subsequently called by the employing carrier and is then dispatched from home, would be on-duty from the time the driver leaves home. A driver placed out of service for exceeding the requirements of the hours of service regulations may not drive a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) to any location to obtain rest.

At this point - I hate to see drivers getting BAD INFO from the company. And telling you that you can run from a receiver to a rest/truck stop as Off Duty/Personal, is not what the legal intent of this is. Telling you it's OK to run from the TS to Wal-Mart to go food shopping is. It's even legal to carry alcohol for personal use in the cab - if you are running "personal use" from a hotel/lodging to the liquor store and back (I'd REALLY be bobtailing for this one).

Heck, we're still debating whether you LEGALLY have to be "bobtail" in order to use this (as no one has gotten a "definitive" on exactly what constitutes "unladen" from FMCSA). I might have to email a friend over at OOIDA's regs department and see if they've ever gotten an exact definition from DOT.

And again (for the 4th or 5th time this thread) - the "personal use exception" is probably the most/easiest to ABUSE in the industry - which is why it better be REAL OBVIOUS if you get pulled or logs look at by DOT - that it actually was REALLY personal use - not some BS to stay off the clock.

Rick