What Would You Do?

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Old School's Comment
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I’m disappointed in you and this site.

Andhe78, I'm not sure how you made that quantum leap to assuming this site had anything to do with Juicebox's post or driving practices. It was allowed so it could be discussed, and I think you took a good cut at it... until you started laying blame in places where it didn't belong.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Old School's Comment
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I just want to add something in here. Our lives on the road can be very unpredictable. Despite some of our best laid plans things happen beyond our control. You can't always divide every hour up so that it fits inside the government regulators custom box. The more experienced the driver the more he's going to have encountered problems with running perfectly legal.

JuiceBox's Comment
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This is a horrible post on a forum full of newbies. You violated your hours to “git-r-done,” and with no consequences. Poor example of a supposedly professional driver. You made the wrong choice because you were greedy, and got lucky nothing happened. If you’d gotten in an accident while in violation, bet you wouldn’t be making much money for the next couple months. Or what happens if you have to go over your hours this week because of traffic, breakdown, or weather, and suddenly you are a habitual violater at your next inspection. Guys doing what you did is the reason paper logs were taken away from us.

I’m disappointed in you and this site.

You are entitled to your opinion. Either way I tried to leave it as a learning point on situations that come up out here on the road and the decisions we face. There are plenty of professionals out here who have done the same thing I have and then again there are plenty who have not. The fact that you chastise somebody who would make a different decision than you tells me all I need to know about you so this will be my only reply. I hope that you never make a bad decision out here and that you remain perfect, driver. Thanks for your response.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

andhe78's Comment
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Wow, a driver makes the decision to break the law for personal gain, when there was no need to, and I get reamed. Too funny.

Feel free to delete my posts since I’ve seem to have offended everyone.

And I’ve made bad decisions-I got in an accident while over hours-very, very, very, lucky to still be driving-lucky the cop was unfamiliar with elogs and didn’t know what he was looking at during the inspection.

Elog:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Elogs:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

JuiceBox's Comment
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Wow, a driver makes the decision to break the law for personal gain, when there was no need to, and I get reamed. Too funny.

Feel free to delete my posts since I’ve seem to have offended everyone.

And I’ve made bad decisions-I got in an accident while over hours-very, very, very, lucky to still be driving-lucky the cop was unfamiliar with elogs and didn’t know what he was looking at during the inspection.

Smh

Elog:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Elogs:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Old School's Comment
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Man are you sensitive!

Could you give us a definition of "getting reamed?" Nobody has come close to doing you any wrong.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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I got in an accident while over hours

Oh, so you've done it, but you can't believe we would even discuss anyone else doing it?

Man, I don't know what got into you or what made you think you had the moral high ground to blast everyone like that but this is a good example of a time you probably should have slept on what you were going to say before you actually blurted it out.

G-Town's Comment
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JuiceBox, let’s not lose sight of the fact that you posted a request for advice. Turtle gave you a really good piece of it, others confirmed it and you chose to ignore it, making a decision that could have gotten you in a lot of hot water.

I’m not going to chastise you, however I’m not condoning it either. You know what you did was risky...hopefully you’ll handle it differently next time.

And the reaming andhe78 thought he got from OS...

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...was nothing closely resembling the verbal flogging you just gave JuiceBox. Would you like us to call DOT and rat him out? Maybe we should ban him from the site.

Seriously andhe78, this site has served you well, what’s your issue? No one condoned or encouraged what JuiceBox did. He himself admitted his error and likely won’t do it again. Is it ideal to publically humiliate and bully him so he never returns?

Granted there are many people who come on here, we’d prefer never to hear from again, JuiceBox is not one of those people. And neither are you.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
G-Town's Comment
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I just noticed this (as Brett pointed out) ...andhe78 admits...

And I’ve made bad decisions-I got in an accident while over hours-very, very, very, lucky to still be driving-lucky the cop was unfamiliar with elogs and didn’t know what he was looking at during the inspection.

Which qualifies your reply to JuiceBox and the forum as foolish, hypocritical and narcissistic.

You could have easily related your experience as support of why it’s risky to drive over your hours.

This is a teaching site, not a courtroom.

Elog:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Elogs:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Brett Aquila's Comment
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I was thinking about this conversation this evening and I thought I'd go back through it. So in the end, what we're talking about here is a guy who chose to go over his hours by like 30 minutes to get a load delivered before the holiday, right?

These are some of the reactions:

I would have done Turtle's idea as well. No load is worth my life or my CDL.
This is a horrible post on a forum full of newbies. You violated your hours to “git-r-done,” and with no consequences. Poor example of a supposedly professional driver.
Or what happens if you have to go over your hours this week because of traffic, breakdown, or weather, and suddenly you are a habitual violater at your next inspection
I’m disappointed in you and this site.

Ok, I realize I'm an old school driver from a past era and we did things quite a bit differently back then. But seriously folks, get a grip! The guy drove an extra 30 minutes to get unloaded before the holiday and you're all acting like he ran into a mall with a machine gun!

Now I know for a fact that if I followed you guys around 24/7 for a week I'd find no less than 50 ways you violate some sort of laws, company policies, or recommended best practices. So everyone get down off your high horse before you topple on your head, which you deserve to for being such hypocrites.

No one is going to die, or lose their license, or get classified as "unprofessional," or become a "habitual violator" like some sort of elog cheating junkie and wind up on the streets. Good grief!!!!

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I'm glad we live in an era where you guys take the rules and safety so seriously, at least when you're speaking publicly about someone else's decision making. Of course if we could shine the spotlight of truth on every one of you there'd be an awful lot of people caught with their pants down, wouldn't there?

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Elog:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
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