Personal Conveyance Question

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Michael B.'s Comment
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Hi all, so I pulled into the terminal with less than 1 hour left on my 70 so decided to do my 34 reset with free showers, lounge, bathrooms etc. I was supposed to get fuel too but they were out. I went off duty, checked out the facility then went a couple miles up the road to walmart then back. Well after watching the Steelers lose in my truck I went to wash some dishes and myself in the terminal only to realize the doors were locked. They close the terminal at 4 on Sunday. Well needing to also use the bathroom I went ahead and went to a Pilot 16 miles up the road. So the question is, I was 4 hours into my 34, do I have to be in the same place when I finish a 34 that I was in when I started it? Or will being 16 miles further up the road be alright?

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Big Scott (CFI Driver/Tra's Comment
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If you are not under a load. Here is a link to the FMCSA site and the offial rules. You should also check with your logs department on your company's policy on PC.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Michael B.'s Comment
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Big Scott, if it matters I am under a load. But will check out the link. Thanks.

Dave (formerly known as K's Comment
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Shouldn't matter provided that you changed to off duty - personal conveyance. Off duty is all that's needed for a 34hr reset from my experience.

Plus, the rules on personal conveyance are a little vague but from my understanding as long as you are not advancing a load or under company direction you're okay. Even then it is still open for debate if someone checks your logs.

The one time I've used PC was when I ran out of hours at a receiver and there wasn't any overnight parking. I specifically told dispatch not to attach a load so no matter which direction I went I couldn't advance to my next location. Afterwards I checked with compliance and all was good.

PJ's Comment
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Michael under the current rule you are fine, unless your company has a policy that is more restrictive.

Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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Shouldn't matter provided that you changed to off duty - personal conveyance. Off duty is all that's needed for a 34hr reset from my experience.

Plus, the rules on personal conveyance are a little vague but from my understanding as long as you are not advancing a load or under company direction you're okay. Even then it is still open for debate if someone checks your logs.

The one time I've used PC was when I ran out of hours at a receiver and there wasn't any overnight parking. I specifically told dispatch not to attach a load so no matter which direction I went I couldn't advance to my next location. Afterwards I checked with compliance and all was good.

Yes, as PJ said, under current rules you are allowed. They just specifically clarified under load, and even if it is in the direction of your next stop, as long as it is necessary to get to a safe haven, and you stop at the nearest safe haven.

But some companies will not allow it. Schneider just had a truck towed, when they could have used the safe haven rule.

JoAnne EC's Comment
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Https://cdllife.com/2018/have-questions-about-personal-conveyance-rules-fmcsa-has-new-answers/?fbclid=IwAR2gD2mWyTnhx8bAQjDV1XtWZSXKXcQjgr4vkn0tRHM53xFy86hhWxKOQdQ

This was a decent read (to me, although I am not a driver yet!). Sorry I couldn't turn it in to a link!

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Mik D.'s Comment
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Boy I'm in trouble, my company limits us to 50miles a day for personal conveyance...I went 50.9 miles I'm Christmas to a hotel...haven't gotten a call yet..:):):)

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