I've Opened Up A Whole Can Of... Pickles. Want Opinions Re: Tanker Endorsement

Topic 24350 | Page 1

Page 1 of 2 Next Page Go To Page:
Susan D. 's Comment
member avatar

Ok, I have a very juicy question. I posted it on a particular fb group and over 100 posts later, they're still arguing about it. Anywho, here goes:

I have a load of pickles which are packed in liquid. They are in eighty 50 gallon barrels. So 4,000 gallons of Flamm packed pickles :-) at a weight of 40,400 lbs.

Does this need a tanker endorsement to legally pull?

Want to hear everyone's theory on this.. particularly tanker drivers.

Brett Aquila's Comment
member avatar

It seems you do not need a tanker endorsement for that. From the CDL manual:

A tank endorsement is required for any commercial vehicle that is designed to transport any liquid or gaseous materials in a tank or tanks having an individual rated capacity of more than 119 gallons and an aggregate capacity of 1,000 gallons or more that is either permanently or temporarily attached to the vehicle or chassis.

You do not have any tanks larger than 119 gallons, so no, you don't need a tanker endorsement for that.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Susan D. 's Comment
member avatar

That's also what my safety department said lol. I am still however being bombarded (on FB) in both comments and messenger and now they're still arguing over it, saying because it's measured in gallons and over 1k gallons, etc etc

Just gotta love it.

Grumpy Old Man's Comment
member avatar

It seems you do not need a tanker endorsement for that. From the CDL manual:

double-quotes-start.png

A tank endorsement is required for any commercial vehicle that is designed to transport any liquid or gaseous materials in a tank or tanks having an individual rated capacity of more than 119 gallons and an aggregate capacity of 1,000 gallons or more that is either permanently or temporarily attached to the vehicle or chassis.

double-quotes-end.png

You do not have any tanks larger than 119 gallons, so no, you don't need a tanker endorsement for that.

If it said OR an aggregate capacity, you could make the argument they are temporarily attached. But I would agree with Brett, no endorsement needed

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Susan D. 's Comment
member avatar

It actually does say something about combined, but I think due to the smaller barrels (under 119), that the combined thing doesn't apply.

I've got tanker endorsement, but since I only extremely rarely use it in a dry van and don't pull a tanker, I always double check if in doubt.

Dry Van:

A trailer or truck that that requires no special attention, such as refrigeration, that hauls regular palletted, boxed, or floor-loaded freight. The most common type of trailer in trucking.
PJ's Comment
member avatar

Good question susan, and Brett is correct. The individual containers under 119 are fine. It was changed a few years ago when some companies started hauling 250 gallon totes in van trailers. DOT had a fit over it. The companies argued it was a van not a tanker, and all of a sudden the rule changed.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Brett Aquila's Comment
member avatar
The individual containers under 119 are fine

Yeah, they had to set a minimum container size and an aggregate amount or it might not make sense to require a tanker endorsement. For instance, you wouldn't want to require someone to have a tanker endorsement if they're only hauling 130 gallons of a liquid in one 150 gallon tote. That's not nearly enough liquid to require a tanker endorsement.

On the other hand, if they didn't set a minimum container size then someone hauling only 1,000 gallons of chicken soup (probably 10,000 pounds or so) in 12 ounce cans would need a tanker endorsement. The liquid doesn't move enough in such small containers to require a tanker endorsement.

So the combination of minimum container size and aggregate gallons will allow them to require a tanker endorsement when necessary without being overly restrictive and requiring it too often.

I am still however being bombarded (on FB) in both comments and messenger and now they're still arguing over it

But I thought only highly knowledgeable people offering the God's honest truth, insightful wisdom, and civil debates were allowed on Facebook?

smile.gif

Susan D. 's Comment
member avatar

Gotta love "Women In Trucking". Nuff said, right?

Pete B.'s Comment
member avatar

Yeah, what Brett said.

A ‘women in trucking’ FB group, still haven’t come to a consensus, 100 posts later? Come clean, Susan... is it really 4 or 5 ladies who have changed their minds 20-25 times?

:)

Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
member avatar

Gotta love "Women In Trucking". Nuff said, right?

hahahhah one of the reasons I deleted my FB account was the incessant bantering. Don't name them or they will come here!!!

I tried to tell them that I'm right and they are sexist to tell me I'm wrong...cause you know...in today's society all women are honest, intelligent, hardworking angels and can never be wrong. Unless you disagree with the mantra for the day....then you are a sexist racist homophobic transphobic antisemetic bigot.

confused.gif

Page 1 of 2 Next Page Go To Page:

New Reply:

New! Check out our help videos for a better understanding of our forum features

Bold
Italic
Underline
Quote
Photo
Link
Smiley
Links On TruckingTruth


example: TruckingTruth Homepage



example: https://www.truckingtruth.com
Submit
Cancel
Upload New Photo
Please enter a caption of one sentence or less:

Click on any of the buttons below to insert a link to that section of TruckingTruth:

Getting Started In Trucking High Road Training Program Company-Sponsored Training Programs Apply For Company-Sponsored Training Truck Driver's Career Guide Choosing A School Choosing A Company Truck Driving Schools Truck Driving Jobs Apply For Truck Driving Jobs DOT Physical Drug Testing Items To Pack Pre-Hire Letters CDL Practice Tests Trucking Company Reviews Brett's Book Leasing A Truck Pre-Trip Inspection Learn The Logbook Rules Sleep Apnea
Done
Done

0 characters so far - 5,500 maximum allowed.
Submit Preview

Preview:

Submit
Cancel

This topic has the following tags:

West Side Transport Advice For New Truck Drivers Tanker Trailers
Click on any of the buttons above to view topics with that tag, or you can view a list of all forum tags here.

Join Us!

We have an awesome set of tools that will help you understand the trucking industry and prepare for a great start to your trucking career. Not only that, but everything we offer here at TruckingTruth is 100% free - no strings attached! Sign up now and get instant access to our member's section:
High Road Training Program Logo
  • The High Road Training Program
  • The High Road Article Series
  • The Friendliest Trucker's Forum Ever!
  • Email Updates When New Articles Are Posted

Apply For Paid CDL Training Through TruckingTruth

Did you know you can fill out one quick form here on TruckingTruth and apply to several companies at once for paid CDL training? Seriously! The application only takes one minute. You will speak with recruiters today. There is no obligation whatsoever. Learn more and apply here:

Apply For Paid CDL Training

About Us

TruckingTruth was founded by Brett Aquila (that's me!), a 15 year truck driving veteran, in January 2007. After 15 years on the road I wanted to help people understand the trucking industry and everything that came with the career and lifestyle of an over the road trucker. We'll help you make the right choices and prepare for a great start to your trucking career.

Read More

Becoming A Truck Driver

Becoming A Truck Driver is a dream we've all pondered at some point in our lives. We've all wondered if the adventure and challenges of life on the open road would suit us better than the ordinary day to day lives we've always known. At TruckingTruth we'll help you decide if trucking is right for you and help you get your career off to a great start.

Learn More