Moving While Out Of Hours?

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Jamie's Comment
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Quick question, I'm currently getting loaded in Newport, AR and this load will take me back home for my home time but that'll be early in the morning. I only have two hours left and looks like I might be here longer then that but they offer parking in site in another area.

My question is simple, if I just let my truck creep it's way over there, maybe 200-300 yards away, will I get a HOS violation? I know it doesn't kick on to the drive line until I get over 5MPH.

I know about personal convenience, but my Qualcomm doesn't give me the option to log it as that. So wanted to make sure before I moved whenever they're done.

Qualcomm:

Omnitracs (a.k.a. Qualcomm) is a satellite-based messaging system with built-in GPS capabilities built by Qualcomm. It has a small computer screen and keyboard and is tied into the truck’s computer. It allows trucking companies to track where the driver is at, monitor the truck, and send and receive messages with the driver – similar to email.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Big Scott (CFI Driver/Tra's Comment
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Check with your logs department. By law you can.

Rick S.'s Comment
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Check with your logs department. By law you can.

What Scott said. Move to a safe area, contact your log department.

Keep in mind - EVEN IF your company allows "personal conveyance" driving (AKA: Line 5), you cannot drive on Line 5 with a load on.

Rick

Turtle's Comment
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Keep in mind - EVEN IF your company allows "personal conveyance" driving (AKA: Line 5), you cannot drive on Line 5 with a load on.

Actually, yes you can. As of approx 5/18, new FMCSA rules allow the use of personal conveyance to find the nearest safe parking after running out of hours at a customer, even if laden.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Sid V.'s Comment
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They changed the personal conveyance law so that you CAN use it empty or loaded. Your company may have its own rules so obviously as them. I linked the faq and they answered it under #6.

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/personal-conveyance-frequently-asked-questions-0

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Jamie's Comment
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Keep in mind - EVEN IF your company allows "personal conveyance" driving (AKA: Line 5), you cannot drive on Line 5 with a load on.

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Actually, yes you can. As of approx 5/18, new FMCSA rules allow the use of personal conveyance to find the nearest safe parking after running out of hours at a customer, even if laden.

I was about to post that. But still my question hasn't been answered. If I let my truck creep over there without going on the drive line,I should be fine right?

It's only about 200-300 yards at most. Because since I can't log it as PC, my Qualcomm will go off for HOS violation when it hits the drive line if I'm not mistaking, never had this problem before. I was once towed while having no hours as Schneider would rather do that then risk it I suppose.

Qualcomm:

Omnitracs (a.k.a. Qualcomm) is a satellite-based messaging system with built-in GPS capabilities built by Qualcomm. It has a small computer screen and keyboard and is tied into the truck’s computer. It allows trucking companies to track where the driver is at, monitor the truck, and send and receive messages with the driver – similar to email.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Jamie's Comment
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They changed the personal conveyance law so that you CAN use it empty or loaded. Your company may have its own rules so obviously as them. I linked the faq and they answered it under #6.

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/personal-conveyance-frequently-asked-questions-0

Yeah it's weird another company driver I met had PeopleNet in his truck and he bad the PC option for 30 miles or something like that. But my Qualcomm doesn't have the option. So if I move and it hits the drive line it'll go off for a HOS violation.

So I figured if I let my truck creep over to the area they let drivers park, then I should be fine without ever going on the drive line.

Qualcomm:

Omnitracs (a.k.a. Qualcomm) is a satellite-based messaging system with built-in GPS capabilities built by Qualcomm. It has a small computer screen and keyboard and is tied into the truck’s computer. It allows trucking companies to track where the driver is at, monitor the truck, and send and receive messages with the driver – similar to email.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Turtle's Comment
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Yes Jamie you should be fine. Big Scott answered your question by saying to check with your logs department. Different companies may have different guidelines. For example, I can drive at any speed for up to two miles before being kicked on to the driveline. Your setup may be different.

Either way, a 300yd crawl isn't likely to trigger a status change.

Jamie's Comment
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Yes Jamie you should be fine. Big Scott answered your question by saying to check with your logs department. Different companies may have different guidelines. For example, I can drive at any speed for up to two miles before being kicked on to the driveline. Your setup may be different.

Either way, a 300yd crawl isn't likely to trigger a status change.

Good to know. I know our Qualcomm doesn't kick us into the drive line until we get over 5MPH, and I've used it to drive around the yard before but never when my 14 hour clock was out. So wasn't entirely sure if it would be different or not. I'll contact them most likely to be sure. Got 41 minutes left and I believe they're not far from being done.

So I might not even have to worry.

Qualcomm:

Omnitracs (a.k.a. Qualcomm) is a satellite-based messaging system with built-in GPS capabilities built by Qualcomm. It has a small computer screen and keyboard and is tied into the truck’s computer. It allows trucking companies to track where the driver is at, monitor the truck, and send and receive messages with the driver – similar to email.
Sid V.'s Comment
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If you're asking if it's ok to move when you're out of hours without asking your company, I would say you better make sure you can get over there without triggering the clock.

It's not really that big of a deal if you go .1 miles in violation, but it may mess with the clock. Let's say when they're finished you've went over by 2 hours. Now, if you creep over and accidentally trigger your clock you will have to take a 10 hour break once you get there.

If you go there on PC, since PC is logged in off duty you would only have to take an 8 hour break before you can leave.

Anyways, it's up to you.

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