Fueling And Pre Trip At The Same Time

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Amber L.'s Comment
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This seems like kind of a small thing and I'm pretty sure I understand but why not make sure.

So I was reading the log book section of the high road training program and in the tips section there was a tip

The trick? Perform your fueling and pre-trip inspection at the same time. The DOT regulations do not specify when a pre-trip must be done. The regulations simply state that you must perform an inspection daily. Well, if you're going to be fueling anyway, why not lump the two together under one 15 minute log entry? You've met your inspection requirement for the day and have saved yourself a bit of time. Get creative! You should always stay safe and legal 100% of the time. But that doesn't mean you can't get a little creative to save time

So I just want to be clear that you don't have to stay right at the nozzle the whole time you are fueling, you can "wander" around doing your pre trip?

I want to be clear because I have been reading the hazardous materials section so I can get that endorsement and it specifically says " someone must always be at the nozzle, controlling fuel flow." So if I understand correctly if you have a placarded load you could NOT do your pre trip while fueling because you have to stay at the nozzle. Do I have all this correct? Seems like you would be unlikely to get in trouble for it unless you had some kind of accident but I'm a rule follower☺️

Also want to say the log book section rocks! I highly recommend it to all the newbies out there! Super helpful on understanding the HOS rules! Thank you!!!

Pre-trip Inspection:

A pre-trip inspection is a thorough inspection of the truck completed before driving for the first time each day.

Federal and state laws require that drivers inspect their vehicles. Federal and state inspectors also may inspect your vehicles. If they judge a vehicle to be unsafe, they will put it “out of service” until it is repaired.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
PackRat's Comment
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Just because the hose nozzle is in the tank doesn’t mean it has to be pumping fuel.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Amber L.'s Comment
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I'm sorry packrat I'm unsure of what you mean. If I had to guess you would be saying that you act like your fueling and do your pre trip? I'm not sure how this saves you any time? And I'm guessing you would only do this if there isn't a line for fuel? Thank you

PackRat's Comment
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Yes, you can do parts of the pre trip while fueling your tractor at the fuel island. Generally, you don’t have to stand with the hose at arms reach, but company policy will dictate this.

I have put into the notes section many times on my ELD, “pre trip inspection and fueling”. Never have I heard any grief from company management, nor any Law Enforcement Officer. In four years, never a problem for me.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Amber L.'s Comment
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Sorry I needed it spelled out! Thank you! Do you run hazmat?

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

PackRat's Comment
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Not often, but I do have the hazmat endorsement.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

PJ's Comment
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Amber I haul hazmat very often. I always combine my fuel and pretrip when possible. I have never had any issues. The main thing is be on the island present and attentive while fueling. You should always be, hazmat or not. In 6 years I have never had anyone watching me fuel that I know of anyway.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Matt M.'s Comment
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It's fine to pretrip while fueling; however, placarded vehicles are a different story. From the Hazardous Materials Compliance Pocketbook:

"When a marked or placarded vehicle is being fueled, the engine must be shut off and a person must be in control of the fueling process at the point where the fuel tank is filled."

Likely to get caught? No. But it is illegal.

PackRat's Comment
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Engines are supposed to be turned off while fueling always, hazmat or not.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

PJ's Comment
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There are things we do everyday that may not be I.A.W. the letter of the law. Judgement calls we all have to make individually.

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