Rick!?? Technical Question

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The editors note is simply stating they don't care about the 1am to 5am anymore as of 2014. That rule is now abolished completely

You can in fact be on duty beyond your 14, but must do a 10 hour off duty/sleeper break after to get your drive time back.

Y'all got to it before I did.

The 1AM-5Am rule was completely bogus when instituted. It went under the (obviously false) assumption that drivers ONLY GET REAL REST AT NIGHT - hence the rule to make the 34 over 2 consecutive 1-5AM periods. I have heard of folks that got hit with log/HOS violations for this - but either the inspector was a real nut-buster, or it was the cherry on top of a number of other violations found during an inspection. When the rule was in place - AOBRDs/ELD's were programmed to only do a reset, when it fell under those hours (rules are rules, whether we agree with them or not).

There was also a rule (now gone) that you couldn't do more than one 34 in a 7 day period. Which was also bogus. What if you had to take a 34 on the road because you ran your 70 down, then, 3 days later - you took 2 days at home? You don't get to reset?

Really don't know where they came up with some of these rules - they make ZERO SENSE - but, it is a GOVERNMENT AGENCY MAKING THEM, so efficiency is obviously not a factor here.

The 11/14 is simple really - you start the 14 once you go ON DUTY, and you get 11 hours to drive in that 14. You can STAY ON DUTY after the 14 - but cannot drive. Most folks will GO OFF DUTY AS SOON AS THEY TURN THE TRUCK OFF FOR ANY REASON - to save on the 70 HOUR CLOCK. The rules don't specify that you CAN BE ON DUTY past 14 hours, because they are only concerned with HOW LONG YOU CAN DRIVE. But staying ON DUTY makes ZERO SENSE, because your 70 is burning away if you do.

There are 3 clocks to juggle and keep track of - your ON DUTY (for both 14 and 70 hour rules) and your 11 hour drive clock.

What you see in the book, are the restrictions we all have to abide by. How we work the clock in the field, is to maximize our available hours to be DRIVING. So any time we can LEGALLY GET AWAY WITH BEING OFF DUTY, is taken advantage of. If you aren't moving, fueling or inspecting - BE OFF DUTY.

Rick

The editors note is simply stating they don't care about the 1am to 5am anymore as of 2014. That rule is now abolished completely

You can in fact be on duty beyond your 14, but must do a 10 hour off duty/sleeper break after to get your drive time back.

Y'all got to it before I did.

The 1AM-5Am rule was completely bogus when instituted. It went under the (obviously false) assumption that drivers ONLY GET REAL REST AT NIGHT - hence the rule to make the 34 over 2 consecutive 1-5AM periods. I have heard of folks that got hit with log/HOS violations for this - but either the inspector was a real nut-buster, or it was the cherry on top of a number of other violations found during an inspection. When the rule was in place - AOBRDs/ELD's were programmed to only do a reset, when it fell under those hours (rules are rules, whether we agree with them or not).

There was also a rule (now gone) that you couldn't do more than one 34 in a 7 day period. Which was also bogus. What if you had to take a 34 on the road because you ran your 70 down, then, 3 days later - you took 2 days at home? You don't get to reset?

Really don't know where they came up with some of these rules - they make ZERO SENSE - but, it is a GOVERNMENT AGENCY MAKING THEM, so efficiency is obviously not a factor here.

The 11/14 is simple really - you start the 14 once you go ON DUTY, and you get 11 hours to drive in that 14. You can STAY ON DUTY after the 14 - but cannot drive. Most folks will GO OFF DUTY AS SOON AS THEY TURN THE TRUCK OFF FOR ANY REASON - to save on the 70 HOUR CLOCK. The rules don't specify that you CAN BE ON DUTY past 14 hours, because they are only concerned with HOW LONG YOU CAN DRIVE. But staying ON DUTY makes ZERO SENSE, because your 70 is burning away if you do.

There are 3 clocks to juggle and keep track of - your ON DUTY (for both 14 and 70 hour rules) and your 11 hour drive clock.

What you see in the book, are the restrictions we all have to abide by. How we work the clock in the field, is to maximize our available hours to be DRIVING. So any time we can LEGALLY GET AWAY WITH BEING OFF DUTY, is taken advantage of. If you aren't moving, fueling or inspecting - BE OFF DUTY.

Rick

Rick makes a good point.

While you can be on duty forever, most would not want to. I am paid hourly so in my case, I do want to be on duty or driving as much as possible. I burn through my 70 in 5 days usually. Most of it is driving, but I do stay on duty if I am docked or doing a drop and hook.

If I went to a mileage based job I would have to completely relearn time management.