My Dispatch Asking Me To Be A TNT Trainer
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Rob D wrote:
I think Turtle's point also relates to the extent of training prior to going solo. From what I've learned, in a perfect world, experienced (and good) trainers would train new drivers for an extended period of time. However, from what I've learned on this forum, that's not economically viable for the industry.
I also recall that Brett does not necessarily agree that a longer training period would produce better drivers.
Please define "extended".
3-4 weeks of school (pre-CDL), 6-8 weeks of road training (post-CDL). IMO beyond that time, in the majority of cases, diminishing returns. I learned more in 1 week of solo running than I did in my last 2 weeks of Mentoring (road training). Plus, once shut-down for the 10 hour break, the time is yours and you can enjoy the space of your own truck, and relax.
I think the training time frame depends on the person. Some will pick it up quick. Others might continue to struggle after two full months of road-training. And my perspective is based upon reading training diaries where some drivers say they don't feel prepared to either take their test or go solo after road training. I don't know how long it will take me to feel "prepared" to take my CDL test, but I expect that I will feel marginal, at best, by the time I actually take the test. I also expect 10-12 weeks of TNT , which seems long to me, but 4 weeks would seem to short.
Again, my perspective is based on drivers' training diaries. After I complete TNT (assuming I complete it), I'm sure I'll have my own opinion. My best guess, is that I will agree with you on the 3-4 week pre-CDL and 6-8 weeks of road training.
Although, because of my advanced preparation, I have a unique circumstance that I intend to discuss with my PSD trainer. Missouri requires at least 2 weeks from the time you get your CLP until you can test. I got my CLP on February 14, so I have already met the 2 week waiting period. Most of the others in my class will get their permit after arriving at orientation, so they will need at least 2 weeks PSD. I could take the test the next day.
And I understand the PSD phase, the single goal is to pass the CDL test. If my PSD trainer can swing the pad time, we could go to Prime's training pad and do every maneuver over and over (repetition is the key right?). Same thing with the driving course. Spend 10 hours straight driving the course. I'm even think about bringing whistle for my PSD trainer so that when I've slumped over the wheel after 4 hours straight of 90 degree alley docking, he'll blow the whistle "again!"
Superlejera: have you decided what you plan to do?
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
PSD:
Prime Student Driver
Prime Inc has a CDL training program and the first phase is referred to as PSD. You'll get your permit and then 10,000 miles of on the road instruction.
The following is from Prime's website:
Prime’s PSD begins with you obtaining your CDL permit. Then you’ll go on the road with a certified CDL instructor for no less than 75 hours of one-on-one behind the wheel training. After training, you’ll return to Prime’s corporate headquarters in Springfield, Missouri, for final CDL state testing and your CDL license.
Obtain CDL Permit / 4 Days
- Enter program, study and test for Missouri CDL permit.
- Start driving/training at Prime Training Center in Springfield, Missouri.
- Work toward 40,000 training dispatched miles (minimum) with food allowance while without CDL (Food allowance is paid back with future earnings).
On-the-Road Instruction / 10,000 Miles
- Train with experienced certified CDL instructor for 3-4 weeks in a real world environment.
- Get 75 hours of behind-the-wheel time with one-on-one student/instructor ratio.
- Earn 10,000 miles toward total 40,000 miles needed.
TNT:
Trainer-N-Trainee
Prime Inc has their own CDL training program and it's divided into two phases - PSD and TNT.
The PSD (Prime Student Driver) phase is where you'll get your permit and then go on the road for 10,000 miles with a trainer. When you come back you'll get your CDL license and enter the TNT phase.
The TNT phase is the second phase of training where you'll go on the road with an experienced driver for 30,000 miles of team driving. You'll receive 14¢ per mile ($700 per week guaranteed) during this phase. Once you're finished with TNT training you will be assigned a truck to run solo.
CLP:
Commercial Learner's Permit
Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.
Rob D wrote:
I think Turtle's point also relates to the extent of training prior to going solo. From what I've learned, in a perfect world, experienced (and good) trainers would train new drivers for an extended period of time. However, from what I've learned on this forum, that's not economically viable for the industry.
I also recall that Brett does not necessarily agree that a longer training period would produce better drivers.
Please define "extended".
3-4 weeks of school (pre-CDL), 6-8 weeks of road training (post-CDL). IMO beyond that time, in the majority of cases, diminishing returns. I learned more in 1 week of solo running than I did in my last 2 weeks of Mentoring (road training). Plus, once shut-down for the 10 hour break, the time is yours and you can enjoy the space of your own truck, and relax.
I think the training time frame depends on the person. Some will pick it up quick. Others might continue to struggle after two full months of road-training. And my perspective is based upon reading training diaries where some drivers say they don't feel prepared to either take their test or go solo after road training. I don't know how long it will take me to feel "prepared" to take my CDL test, but I expect that I will feel marginal, at best, by the time I actually take the test. I also expect 10-12 weeks of TNT , which seems long to me, but 4 weeks would seem to short.
Again, my perspective is based on drivers' training diaries. After I complete TNT (assuming I complete it), I'm sure I'll have my own opinion. My best guess, is that I will agree with you on the 3-4 week pre-CDL and 6-8 weeks of road training.
Although, because of my advanced preparation, I have a unique circumstance that I intend to discuss with my PSD trainer. Missouri requires at least 2 weeks from the time you get your CLP until you can test. I got my CLP on February 14, so I have already met the 2 week waiting period. Most of the others in my class will get their permit after arriving at orientation, so they will need at least 2 weeks PSD. I could take the test the next day.
And I understand the PSD phase, the single goal is to pass the CDL test. If my PSD trainer can swing the pad time, we could go to Prime's training pad and do every maneuver over and over (repetition is the key right?). Same thing with the driving course. Spend 10 hours straight driving the course. I'm even think about bringing whistle for my PSD trainer so that when I've slumped over the wheel after 4 hours straight of 90 degree alley docking, he'll blow the whistle "again!"
Superlejera: have you decided what you plan to do?
Correction here.... ALL PSD students are required to come in with their permits. And do not assume an insteuctor would allow you yo test with less than 3 weeks. You probably will... but getting that permit too early could cause it to expire. Slllloooowww down hahhah
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
PSD:
Prime Student Driver
Prime Inc has a CDL training program and the first phase is referred to as PSD. You'll get your permit and then 10,000 miles of on the road instruction.
The following is from Prime's website:
Prime’s PSD begins with you obtaining your CDL permit. Then you’ll go on the road with a certified CDL instructor for no less than 75 hours of one-on-one behind the wheel training. After training, you’ll return to Prime’s corporate headquarters in Springfield, Missouri, for final CDL state testing and your CDL license.
Obtain CDL Permit / 4 Days
- Enter program, study and test for Missouri CDL permit.
- Start driving/training at Prime Training Center in Springfield, Missouri.
- Work toward 40,000 training dispatched miles (minimum) with food allowance while without CDL (Food allowance is paid back with future earnings).
On-the-Road Instruction / 10,000 Miles
- Train with experienced certified CDL instructor for 3-4 weeks in a real world environment.
- Get 75 hours of behind-the-wheel time with one-on-one student/instructor ratio.
- Earn 10,000 miles toward total 40,000 miles needed.
TNT:
Trainer-N-Trainee
Prime Inc has their own CDL training program and it's divided into two phases - PSD and TNT.
The PSD (Prime Student Driver) phase is where you'll get your permit and then go on the road for 10,000 miles with a trainer. When you come back you'll get your CDL license and enter the TNT phase.
The TNT phase is the second phase of training where you'll go on the road with an experienced driver for 30,000 miles of team driving. You'll receive 14¢ per mile ($700 per week guaranteed) during this phase. Once you're finished with TNT training you will be assigned a truck to run solo.
CLP:
Commercial Learner's Permit
Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.
Kearsey says:
Correction here.... ALL PSD students are required to come in with their permits. And do not assume an insteuctor would allow you yo test with less than 3 weeks. You probably will... but getting that permit too early could cause it to expire. Slllloooowww down hahhah
Sorry for creating any confusion. And I will take your advice and slow down.
I am not worried about the permit expiring though. In Missouri they are good for 360 days. My MO CLP expires 2/08/21. If I don't pass my CDL test by then, its just not meant to be.
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
PSD:
Prime Student Driver
Prime Inc has a CDL training program and the first phase is referred to as PSD. You'll get your permit and then 10,000 miles of on the road instruction.
The following is from Prime's website:
Prime’s PSD begins with you obtaining your CDL permit. Then you’ll go on the road with a certified CDL instructor for no less than 75 hours of one-on-one behind the wheel training. After training, you’ll return to Prime’s corporate headquarters in Springfield, Missouri, for final CDL state testing and your CDL license.
Obtain CDL Permit / 4 Days
- Enter program, study and test for Missouri CDL permit.
- Start driving/training at Prime Training Center in Springfield, Missouri.
- Work toward 40,000 training dispatched miles (minimum) with food allowance while without CDL (Food allowance is paid back with future earnings).
On-the-Road Instruction / 10,000 Miles
- Train with experienced certified CDL instructor for 3-4 weeks in a real world environment.
- Get 75 hours of behind-the-wheel time with one-on-one student/instructor ratio.
- Earn 10,000 miles toward total 40,000 miles needed.
CLP:
Commercial Learner's Permit
Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.
BTW, Superlejera, any update on your decision?
BTW, Superlejera, any update on your decision?
I been thinking a lot .i going to wait to get my 4 year
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TNT:
Trainer-N-Trainee
Prime Inc has their own CDL training program and it's divided into two phases - PSD and TNT.
The PSD (Prime Student Driver) phase is where you'll get your permit and then go on the road for 10,000 miles with a trainer. When you come back you'll get your CDL license and enter the TNT phase.
The TNT phase is the second phase of training where you'll go on the road with an experienced driver for 30,000 miles of team driving. You'll receive 14¢ per mile ($700 per week guaranteed) during this phase. Once you're finished with TNT training you will be assigned a truck to run solo.