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The possibilities are all the worst:
Possible termination
Tickets if stopped by LEO
Falsifying the HOS and logbooks
Lawsuits or jail if an accident were to occur
If a serious accident were to occur, this could equal prison.
NO LOAD OR DEADLINE IS EVER WORTH THE RISK!
Logbook:
A written or electronic record of a driver's duty status which must be maintained at all times. The driver records the amount of time spent driving, on-duty not driving, in the sleeper berth, or off duty. The enforcement of the Hours Of Service Rules (HOS) are based upon the entries put in a driver's logbook.
HOS:
Hours Of Service
HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
I don't know what you want anybody to say. There are many serious things that can happen and none of them are good.
Id start by contacting someone to get a new co driver and start driving on your own time and if the loads are late than so be it.
This is why at the mega I was working for they would not let you bring a passenger that had a cdl because the temptation is there.
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Hey Mike, that sounds like more than a "hypothetical." You need a better partner for sure. I understand the temptation. I'm the type of guy who will do what ever it takes to make things happen out here. However, I draw the line when it gets into the realm of being unsafe, unethical, and illegal.
Why are you teaming? If you thought it was going to make you more money, I guess you found out that isn't always true. If you thought it would provide you someone who could help you out at times, then you found that to be wrong also. I am not a fan of team driving for new drivers. I think it is something that really should be relegated to folks with several years experience. That's just my opinion. I realize there are plenty of people who think I am nuts, but it sounds to me like you would be way better off as a solo driver.
You've got to do what it takes to get a decent partner in that truck with you or just go back to being a solo driver.
The ramifications of the "what ifs" in that scenario you gave are really serious. Let's say you had a bad accident (someone got killed) while driving logged in on your team members logs. Which one of you goes to prison for manslaughter? It's the person at the wheel, not the person who is logged in.
There are huge risks in that "hypothetical." I would never advise taking that kind of risks. Not only are you putting yourself at risk, but you are conditioning your teammate to realize you will cover for him every time he's not feeling up to the job.
HUGE MISTAKE! DON'T DO IT!
It's time for a man to man with your teammate. He's got to understand what is acceptable or not. If that goes nowhere then you get on the phone with your dispatcher first and safety next. The working environment in that tractor has got to change. Get it done before you are in some serious trouble.
Dispatcher:
Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager
The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
DO NOT DRIVE ON SOMEONE ELSES CLOCK.
Document and report this guy to safety and get them OFF THE TRUCK - before they kill someone, or kill YOU.
If the teammate is "tired" and the load has to be on time - it would be the same if you were solo under similar circumstances. Driving tired is as bad as driving drunk. You don't operate when it is dangerous to do so.
This sounds like the NIGHTMARE TEAMMATE SCENARIO. And if you've violated company policy already - then yeah - there's a risk of you getting jammed up by reporting THEM.
I'd get video of the youtube watching - that's an instant termination for them, without bringing the entirely illegal "driving on their clock" into the equation. Communicate your safety fears to SAFETY.
You are going to end up either: unemployed, in a jail cell, or DEAD - if you allow this to continue.
My $.02
Rick
Save headaches n stress get rid of em ASAP!!
Took me 3 to finally get a good team mate he drives his shift down to minutes. We get along great jokes etc. We dont stress loads since most are given already late. We just run the miles to git r dun safely.
Told our Sr DM if he happened to quit, I'll be right behind him, since I won't deal with the whole process trying to find another co driver like him !! Doubt I'd find 1 where we can run 6400-7000 miles aweek
SAP:
Substance Abuse Professional
The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.
Dm:
Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager
The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.DAC:
Drive-A-Check Report
A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).
It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.
Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.
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What are the possible penalties for driving a part of a teammate's shift? Ie the teammate is tired, and the load has to be on time.
You work for a big company.
A hypothetical teammate is a pile of garbage as a teammate. Drives with all manner of distractions, including watching youtube on their phone which is mounted on the windshield, directly in view of their lane. Despite your best efforts to get them to correct this, they refuse. They also refuse to drive their shift, claiming they're too tired, and refuse to get enough sleep. An all around failure of a teammate. You want to report them due to them being a wreck waiting to happen.
However, last week, before you did a 34 hour reset, You have a load, and the teammate refuses to drive the rest of their shift, claims they only need two or so hours of sleep. You're wide awake, and foolishly drive two hours of their shift. You're brand new to team driving, haven't even done a shift that week, and the thought to just start your shift early doesn't occur to you. You're worried that if you refuse, they will drive tired and potentially cause a wreck.
Now, you want to report the teammate to the company, but you worry they'll say that you violated company policy as well, potentially getting you fired along with them.
In this hypothetical, what should you do?