Fired From CR England For Two Accidents

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Eric S.'s Comment
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Went down the wrong road and ended up in a situation we’re I could either back out into the street blindly or get myself turned the longways and turn back out into the street hence the pole. On that one yes I could of used goal better no doubt. But telling a person who’s job it is to handle a lower and raised arm fence not to lower it seems a little out of the drivers hands.

It is your responsibility to always look behind you when backing and GOAL. How did you back into a pole?

CFI might give you a shot if you are honest about what happened up front.

You should expect to go through some training. It seems you would greatly benefit from some.

Good luck.

Eric S.'s Comment
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Sorry I think I made some errors in this post. I was not leasing through them I was a rookie coming on with them. The part you said about the schooling was correct. And they had me watch some videos about backing for the pole. But the second one with the controlled arm I believe was not a situation I was at fault for. If you tell someone not to lower the gate so you can back up and they do it anyways as your backing up who’s at fault there?. Keep in mind I didn’t BACK into it. It was lowered across my tractor top as I was backing up and the worst that it got was some scratched paint. No damage to the truck at all.

Eric S.'s Comment
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I’ll gladly accept full blame for the pole as I shouldn’t have gotten myself in that situation to begin with. However a gate being lowered and me asking for it not to be lowered shouldn’t be a fire him on the spot incident. I was back in the Laredo to do my reset as I only had about 10-14 hours left on my 70 hour clock and they had no loads for me to get done in that timeframe so I was directed to drop trailers around the area. But that’s besides the point though and thank you for saying that about England.

Eric S.'s Comment
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I humbly disagree with that assessment. There has to be some defense for drivers out here in this industry. I cannot see an arm above my tractor while backing up because my attention is on my backing and not the person who’s only job it is all day is to lower and raise an arm. You are right I’m going to have to end up owning this if I want a chance with anyone else even the companies that aren’t very good. Some things are apart of the job and others are just companies wanting to but blame on the easiest person it is to blame in this kind of situation. The driver. I really love driving it’s been in my family for a long time and I’m just trying to make my way out here.

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Fired from England for two accidents

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They terminated my lease with them

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Welcome to our forum Eric!

If you were leasing a truck from them you were not actually an employee. A lawyer can't help you with being wrongfully terminated when you were an independent contractor. I think your best bet is to make a payment arrangement with them and pay what you agreed to. You can't go blaming them for wrongful termination. You are the man at the wheel. You had two backing accidents. That's all on you.

I know you "told the gate guard at the loredo yard not to lower the fence." Honestly, it doesn't matter what you told them. You drove the truck. That has got to be your biggest take away from all this. You have to take responsibility for your actions. We own our mistakes, that's what keeps us in the game. I have made a lot of mistakes driving a rig, but I always accepted my responsibility and learned something from every screw up. Hopefully somebody will take you on. We don't know how long you were at England, but it sounds as if it were less than one year. That's going to be a problem.

You will just have to be honest and up front on all your applications. It won't hurt to be humble too. Accept full responsibility for what took place. Anybody that hears you blaming C.R. England is not going to touch you. If the right people hear you accepting full responsibility, and showing a clear understanding of how you can avoid these type accidents in the future, then you might have a chance of getting hired. But if what you say sounds like what you said here in our forum - you won't have a chance.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Daniel 's Comment
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Keep in mind I didn’t BACK into it. It was lowered across my tractor top as I was backing up and the worst that it got was some scratched paint. No damage to the truck at all.

Ah, that is different, very different. I assumed it wasn't moving. What may have got you on this was not documenting the incident fully when it happened, with pictures. Assuming it was understood instead of assuring it was understood.

You said no damage to the truck, but what about the fence that was lowered onto the truck?

I believe you are telling the truth with what happened here, but proving it is another matter...

Eric S.'s Comment
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Your right about documenting it when it happened. And to the fence all that happened to it was scratched paint. It was one of those red and white pole arms you see at private places and company yards.

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Keep in mind I didn’t BACK into it. It was lowered across my tractor top as I was backing up and the worst that it got was some scratched paint. No damage to the truck at all.

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Ah, that is different, very different. I assumed it wasn't moving. What may have got you on this was not documenting the incident fully when it happened, with pictures. Assuming it was understood instead of assuring it was understood.

You said no damage to the truck, but what about the fence that was lowered onto the truck?

I believe you are telling the truth with what happened here, but proving it is another matter...

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Anne A. (momcat)'s Comment
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Sorry I think I made some errors in this post. I was not leasing through them I was a rookie coming on with them. The part you said about the schooling was correct. And they had me watch some videos about backing for the pole. But the second one with the controlled arm I believe was not a situation I was at fault for. If you tell someone not to lower the gate so you can back up and they do it anyways as your backing up who’s at fault there?. Keep in mind I didn’t BACK into it. It was lowered across my tractor top as I was backing up and the worst that it got was some scratched paint. No damage to the truck at all.

I'm not a trucker, just a 20 yr. wife of one.. so take this with a grain of salt, but.. .how long was it in between these 2 incidents? I'm not saying what I'm feeling, because feelings aren't facts. Playing the 'devil's advocate' here, however . . . . somebody had to be blamed; and sadly it was you.

As you've said, Eric, other companies see 'both' of these on your DAC already? How is the 2nd one worded?

Have you pulled your 1x a year free copy yet? I would, ASAP.

Here's the link:

Free copy of DAC report

O/S and y'all vets, if I'm out of line I apologize. I think 'outside' the box often; well . . . because I am!

Wish you well, Eric.

~ Anne ~

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

Daniel 's Comment
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But that’s besides the point though and thank you for saying that about England.

I was speaking generally about CR England. For the record I work an account that has many different carriers, one of them being CR England. From what I have seen they are a fine company with excellent equipment and courteous professional drivers.

My point was that any company that breaks a contract with an employee for accidents that occured with a driver they trained can not expect to collect on tuition.

Rob T.'s Comment
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My point was that any company that breaks a contract with an employee for accidents that occured with a driver they trained can not expect to collect on tuition.

Please provide a source to back that up. Dozens of posts that can be found on this forum prove that to be not true.

Daniel 's Comment
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Your right about documenting it when it happened. And to the fence all that happened to it was scratched paint. It was one of those red and white pole arms you see at private places and company yards.

Ok. Sounds like not much you can do with that. I would suggest that when applying to other companies to of course accept the first incident as your fault as you have said and then explain the second incident as unavoidable but being careful to not blame anyone. Somethings just happen. All about tone.

As far as your former employer, consider that their hands were tied. They used the term 'disqualified' which probally meant their insurance company required them to drop you. Be as positive as you can about CR England during an interview. That alone may get you your next job.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
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