Fired From CR England For Two Accidents

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Eric S.'s Comment
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Fired from England for two accidents one I couldn’t prevent. One I backed into a pole that cut power to a plant. The second one I told the gate guard at the loredo yard not to lower the fence because I needed to back up a little bit so I could fuel my reefer tank. The person lowered it anyways and long story short I get a call from my safety manager saying I’ve been disqualified for those two accidents. I was told they would not be put on my record because there incidents with the company. But when another company called today to verify employment all of that was put out there and now I’m having a hard time getting another driving job. Does anyone know what I can do or is there anything I can do with England?. I was told to get a lawyer because the second action is fightable and I do believe I was wrongfully terminated. Failing that would it be a good idea to look for a local trucking job or one that doesn’t look at your driver fax just your mvr.

MVR:

Motor Vehicle Record

An MVR is a report of your driving history, as reported from your state Department of Motor Vehicles. Information on this report may include Drivers License information, point history, violations, convictions, and license status on your driving record.

Reefer:

A refrigerated trailer.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Daniel 's Comment
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Did you have a contract with England? If not almost impossible to be wrongly terminated as you would have been an 'at-will' employee.

Being 'at-will' means a company can fire you at any time, for any reason, or even no reason at all.

Big Scott (CFI's biggest 's Comment
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It is your responsibility to always look behind you when backing and GOAL. How did you back into a pole?

CFI might give you a shot if you are honest about what happened up front.

You should expect to go through some training. It seems you would greatly benefit from some.

Good luck.

Eric S.'s Comment
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The contract was for my schooling which with England it works like this. If I stay with them for a year then I don’t need to pay them back for my tuition. They terminated my lease with them when they put me down as disqualified to drive with them. I was told I could go somewhere else but the first place I applied(CFI). Won’t take me because these incidents were handled in house but England is reporting it on driver fax

Anne A. (G13Momcat)'s Comment
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The contract was for my schooling which with England it works like this. If I stay with them for a year then I don’t need to pay them back for my tuition. They terminated my lease with them when they put me down as disqualified to drive with them. I was told I could go somewhere else but the first place I applied(CFI). Won’t take me because these incidents were handled in house but England is reporting it on driver fax

Western Express? Dutch Maid? Kinda all I've got, atm. When you say terminated your 'lease' with them.. were you an L/P driver?

~ Anne ~

Daniel 's Comment
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Ok so they terminated your contract. I assume then you do not have to pay them back for the tuition. I also assume they terminated you in writing.

The thing is they probally had to terminate you because their insurance required them too. Although you now have some hurdles to overcome I'm sure you can move on.

The biggest hurdle is overcoming the blame game. Accept responsibility as the gate wasn't moving when you hit it.

But don't give up. It sounds like to me you enjoying driving. With that and a little more patience, you will succeed.

Old School's Comment
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Fired from England for two accidents
They terminated my lease with them

Welcome to our forum Eric!

If you were leasing a truck from them you were not actually an employee. A lawyer can't help you with being wrongfully terminated when you were an independent contractor. I think your best bet is to make a payment arrangement with them and pay what you agreed to. You can't go blaming them for wrongful termination. You are the man at the wheel. You had two backing accidents. That's all on you.

I know you "told the gate guard at the loredo yard not to lower the fence." Honestly, it doesn't matter what you told them. You drove the truck. That has got to be your biggest take away from all this. You have to take responsibility for your actions. We own our mistakes, that's what keeps us in the game. I have made a lot of mistakes driving a rig, but I always accepted my responsibility and learned something from every screw up. Hopefully somebody will take you on. We don't know how long you were at England, but it sounds as if it were less than one year. That's going to be a problem.

You will just have to be honest and up front on all your applications. It won't hurt to be humble too. Accept full responsibility for what took place. Anybody that hears you blaming C.R. England is not going to touch you. If the right people hear you accepting full responsibility, and showing a clear understanding of how you can avoid these type accidents in the future, then you might have a chance of getting hired. But if what you say sounds like what you said here in our forum - you won't have a chance.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Daniel 's Comment
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I think your best bet is to make a payment arrangement with them and pay what you agreed to. You can't go blaming them for wrongful termination.

If they terminated the contract, then how could he still owe them money?

Old School's Comment
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He has two different contracts with them. One is a contract for leasing a truck. That one got terminated.

The other contract is for training him to get his CDL. They did that and he got his CDL. What he agreed to was to stay with them for one full year or pay up the balance. I promise you there is fine print in that contract to cover them. He messed up his contract for leasing a truck, and that caused all this to happen. That is his fault. He still owes C.R. England for the training.

Here's the real kicker...

I'd be willing to bet if he had taken the prudent path of being an employee (company driver) they would have had him come to Salt Lake City for some additional training and kept him on as an employee. If he showed a willingness to accept his responsibility and learn from the incidents, I think he'd have a shot at remaining a company driver. As a lease operator, he isn't going to get that type consideration. They cut their losses and decided to move on.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Daniel 's Comment
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I would disagree, short of actually seeing the contract. All about the heart of contracts: good faith and fair dealings.

It isn't like most folks on here who simply don't show up or quit. They are not fufilling their obligations in good faith,

He on the other hand was working and attempting to do his job, honor his contract in good faith. He just didn't have the abilty to do the job properly, and that would be on CR England. They shouldn't have let him go solo as clearly he wasn't ready. CR England would have to be responsible for that and would not have a justifiable cause to collect for his tuition as they trained him.

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