Drug Test/feel Horrible.

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Ephraim's Comment
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Got my work history approved for my preferred company for CDL school, Prime. Just got the call today to take both drug and and physical at the same time. Had until the 04/05/2021 to do it but went right away because I have nothing to hide. I was a bit dehydrated when I arrived. First thing on the check list when I got their was drug test. No biggie. I go to the restroom and do my "thing" but couldn't produce enough urine to reach the amount they wanted. I spent maybe another minute trying to see if I can supply more but I couldn't . When I give the urine to the lady, not only was it not enough, the temperature was too cold. (From me trying to provide more, so dumb now that I look back at it, I could of use the "shy bladder" law but didn't know that at the time) First thought is oh no.

So I had to take give another sample with direct observation, very uncomfortable but you have to do what you got to do. This time I drank way too much and my urine was diluted, with a very slight yellow to it. They are sending my sample that didn't have enough urine, and was under temperature, and my diluted samples to the lab. So four in total I believe. I feel like I messed up very badly and feel horrible right now.

I read that if the sample comes back dilute negative, I might be able to retake the test. I also have the first sample on my mind. Not enough and temp too low. So I don't know if that will affect anything. I screwed up so bad, I can't believe it. I was in such a rush to get the process going, and this is the result. Only thing I can do is wait to see what happens in the next day or two, 😥

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Andrey's Comment
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and my urine was diluted

Delano, don't worry, it's all urban legends. There is no such thing as diluted urine if it came straight from your body. Of course, if you added water to it, it is a different story, but regardless of amount of liquid consumed, any pee qualifies :-)

Ephraim's Comment
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and my urine was diluted

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Delano, don't worry, it's all urban legends. There is no such thing as diluted urine if it came straight from your body. Of course, if you added water to it, it is a different story, but regardless of amount of liquid consumed, any pee qualifies :-)

I've been researching like a mad man ever since I came home from the drug test. DOT states that if your creatine is at a certain level, you could get a retest. That is my only hope I feel at this point. I cannot believe what I got myself into, I really can't.

This is what DOT states

(b) As an employer, if the MRO informs you that a negative test was dilute, take the following action:

 

(1) If the MRO directs you to conduct a recollection under direct observation (i.e., because the creatinine concentration of the specimen was equal to or greater than 2mg/dL, but less than or equal to 5 mg/dL (see §40.155(c)), you must do so immediately.

 

(2) Otherwise (i.e., if the creatinine concentration of the dilute specimen is greater than 5 mg/dL), you may, but are not required to, direct the employee to take another test immediately.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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If it was dilute under direct observation, I can’t see how they could have a problem with it. It was obviously your urine if they were watching.

Banks's Comment
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Whenever I get sent for a random, I'm downing bottles of water on my way there so that I don't have the issue you experienced initially.

For the reason, my urine is very light. It's almost clear and I've never had a problem or somebody tell me it was diluted. I'm sure you'll be fine.

Congratulations on going to prime. Keep us updated on how it goes.

Ephraim's Comment
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If it was dilute under direct observation, I can’t see how they could have a problem with it. It was obviously your urine if they were watching.

I just hope I can at least take another test. It will have to be direct observation but it does not matter, I have nothing to hide! I screwed up two times in a row. First by taking to much time to try to provide more, 2nd by drinking too much water. It sucks because I understand how suspect that looks from the outside, but it was lack of knowledge/honest mistake on my part. They already sent both samples, I never heard of someone getting a third try. Really bummed out. This was supposed to be the easy part, dream turned into a nightmare kind of situation. And if it is too dilute I believe it will count as a positive test going on my DAC.

What have I gotten myself into 😔

Anxiously waiting to see what happens

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

Ephraim's Comment
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Whenever I get sent for a random, I'm downing bottles of water on my way there so that I don't have the issue you experienced initially.

For the reason, my urine is very light. It's almost clear and I've never had a problem or somebody tell me it was diluted. I'm sure you'll be fine.

Congratulations on going to prime. Keep us updated on how it goes.

Thanks for the encouragement man. My sample wasn't complete clear, it had very slight yellow tint. So I have a tad bit of hope right now.

After I couldn't provide the 2nd sample under direct observation (I couldn't produce, but still had to attempt) they gave me a 12 Oz water bottle and sent me to do my physical in the mean time. After physical was done (maybe 10-15 min), I was told they were short staffed and to wait in the waiting room, and could drink more water if I liked. That's where I messed up. I drunk probably another cup while waiting. (10-15 minutes) At that point I had to use the bathroom urgently and was extremely uncomfortable with a full bladder.

When I gave the sample under direct observation and presented it to the lady, she made a noise implying, "oh man, that looks diluted/suspect"

I have been up all night reminiscing on what just happened.

I will be updating when I get the results in 🙄

Chris L's Comment
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First and foremost don't get yourself worked up. You provided two samples I assume that the first was rejected because you couldn't give the required amount. The second sample was accepted even though in your opinion it "Looked diluted" and the opinion of the person who collected the sample is a moot point! The only option that will count is the lab that tests your sample! If that specific lab rejects the sample you just give another sample. The big takeaway is you didn't refuse to provide a sample or were evasive. Just stay calm and good luck in your training.

Ephraim's Comment
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First and foremost don't get yourself worked up. You provided two samples I assume that the first was rejected because you couldn't give the required amount. The second sample was accepted even though in your opinion it "Looked diluted" and the opinion of the person who collected the sample is a moot point! The only option that will count is the lab that tests your sample! If that specific lab rejects the sample you just give another sample. The big takeaway is you didn't refuse to provide a sample or were evasive. Just stay calm and good luck in your training.

I'm trying to stay composed. If the first sample was just denied because of the amount, I would have got to retake the first sample over again. My first sample did not have enough and was also not in the 90-100 degree range because I took to long before I came out the bathroom to admit I couldn't produce no more. I don't know why I was waiting so long, I guess I felt like i had to provide enough at that very moment so kept trying. So because it was under temp while also not containing enough, they still had to send it to the lab, and marked it as under temperature. That's why I had to be directly observed for the 2nd sample.

Thanks for the uplifting words

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Davy A.'s Comment
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Youll be fine, I had to guzzle down like 4 waters when I did mine for Knight. The terminal manager gave me the water. Sent it off to the lab, all was good. In school currently.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

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