Drug Screen Classification

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Vincent T.'s Comment
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There should be a classification for dirty drug test. The language in the law constantly says EMPLOYEES, who have given a dirty drug test. I like many other drivers was not employed when I failed my drug test. It was a pre employment test. For example, a class A would designate someone who was actively working, when they gave a dirty test, and a class B failed drug test would designate a pre employment failed drug test. There is a difference. The language in how marjauanni is classified by the government needs to be changed, as weed is now a recreational drug, and isn't in the same category as it was. FOOD DOR THOUGHT.

Old School's Comment
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I am always curious why a person submits to a drug test knowing it will be dirty. The facts are that even though your CDL is a state issued license, your CDL falls under federal regulations. Anyone having a CDL or attempting to get a driving job understands they will be drug tested. This is a safety sensitive career. We can't expect there to be any leniency or special classification for drivers who can't pass a drug screening.

We don't have to agree with how the federal government looks upon marijuana usage, but if they insist commercial drivers don't use it then we must comply with their rules or settle for some other type employment.

I'm sorry you failed a drug screening. I don't have to tell you how difficult that will make your entry into trucking. You already know. That's probably why your first post here is as it is.

Please folks, take a lesson from Vincent. Don't start applying for driving jobs until you are certain you can pass a hair follicle test. That means you really should be clean for one year to be safe. Right now the D.O.T. standard is a urinalysis test, but most companies are stricter than the D.O.T. It won't be long and the D.O.T. will be wanting to see hair follicle tests. It is simply a matter of time.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Mark O. ~MiNi-Me~'s Comment
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I found information about hair testing late last spring, right here on TT, when I first started lurking around. As an occasional user, I immediately stopped. Last week I bought a home test to send into a lab to see what it might show after four months. I'd rather do my own testing than being reported to the clearing house as having a failed test. It's apparent that seals ones fate.....forever.

So I have used the time to read almost everything on here, spending anywhere from two to six hours a day as a sponge for all the great training material, diaries, books, and the forum etc.

I am sooo ready to pass my CLP , and have begun memorizing PTI. I've vacillated betwixt private and company sponsored but now I have my sights set on Knight Squire, since I am living in Phoenix.

Listen to OS.....I know I always will.

CLP:

Commercial Learner's Permit

Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.

PackRat's Comment
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Submitting a sample when you know it will test positive is akin to Russian roulette with a fully loaded firearm.

It's akin to jumping out of the aircraft without the parachute.

It's akin to playing with the hornet's nest and wondering if you will be stung.

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BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

Ryan R.'s Comment
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Submitting a sample when you know it will test positive is akin to Russian roulette with a fully loaded firearm.

It's akin to jumping out of the aircraft without the parachute.

It's akin to playing with the hornet's nest and wondering if you will be stung.

wtf.gif

The tests aren't perfect. I saw a guy on another trucking forum pass even though he used a small amount of Marijuana recently. He didn't think the one use would matter, and I guess he was right. It's probably not worth the risk, however.

I find the fact they are using hair follicle tests very annoying. I tried Marijuana about 6 months ago, in a legal state, and I didn't even like it. Does that somehow mean I'm dangerous to drive now? No wonder there is a truck driver shortage.

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

Ryan R.'s Comment
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This says that a hair follicle drug test only goes back 90 days. That's more reasonable than a year like Old School was suggesting.

Old School's Comment
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a hair follicle drug test only goes back 90 days. That's more reasonable than a year like Old School was suggesting.

Ryan, I never made any statement indicating how far back a hair follicle test goes. My recommendation is that you make sure your system is clear and clean. We have had multiple persons come in here claiming they haven't used for six months and still they fail a hair follicle test. Each individual is different on how they metabolize what is put in their bodies. My suggestion of one year is for your protection. It is far better to be safe than sorry when considering a drug test.

Second chances in this career are very few. You can take a cavalier approach if you like. It will seldom work out like you think. We try to help you learn and practice "best practices." Therefore your safest bet is to be clean for one year, and stay clean. You will be random tested. I was random tested something like nine times in a two year period.

Please, don't come into our forum acting like you are an expert. If you want to learn something we are more than willing to help you. If you want to be the teacher, you'd better master the subject first. As it is now you are not even a beginner at this. Listen and learn. That is how you get to the point of having something helpful to contribute. You can lead yourself awry all day if you like. That is no concern of ours, but when you start misleading our friends here we will push back against your foolishness.

Mikey B.'s Comment
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This says that a hair follicle drug test only goes back 90 days. That's more reasonable than a year like Old School was suggesting.

Ryan, he is not professing to be a doctor, he is merely trying to keep you from failing a drug test. What happens if you wait 90 days, then test positive? Oh, thats right....you'll never drive a truck. You must also cut your hair several times during your waiting period. Each centimeter of hair tested represents one month of time. The tests are accurate enough that if drugs are detected they can pinpoint how heavy your usage was and what months you used them. Do NOT believe the tricks about bleaching etc as they do not work. If you quit completely then wait at least 6 months or more to be sure, you only get one chance at this, don't get impatient and screw it up.

Davy A.'s Comment
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Man, I try not to be judgmental. I was there at one point in my life, sort of. I worked in an industry that doesnt drug test though. Even before I sobered up though, I never fought it. The concept behind drug testing is more important than the test itself. The object of the test isnt to beat the system (you wont, thats why systems are implemented in the first place). The object is to live without using and abusing substances and therefore pass tests. Like any test, its supposed to check for knowledge already obtained. In other words, a drug test should confirm that you are not using substances.

In this industry, its paramount to safety. You may think that you can operate these machines just fine with substances in your system, but the data shows otherwise. Stoners cant even drive small cars effectively. The average of rear end collisions has gone up exponentially in Colorado with the legalization of pot. The median average of speed traveled has decreased with it.

There are no such things as performance enhancing drugs for us. How bout we seek to live without many of these substances first, then we dont have to worry about passing a test. Sorry for the rant. Just gets under my skin.

Vincent T.'s Comment
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I am always curious why a person submits to a drug test knowing it will be dirty. The facts are that even though your CDL is a state issued license, your CDL falls under federal regulations. Anyone having a CDL or attempting to get a driving job understands they will be drug tested. This is a safety sensitive career. We can't expect there to be any leniency or special classification for drivers who can't pass a drug screening.

We don't have to agree with how the federal government looks upon marijuana usage, but if they insist commercial drivers don't use it then we must comply with their rules or settle for some other type employment.

I'm sorry you failed a drug screening. I don't have to tell you how difficult that will make your entry into trucking. You already know. That's probably why your first post here is as it is.

Please folks, take a lesson from Vincent. Don't start applying for driving jobs until you are certain you can pass a hair follicle test. That means you really should be clean for one year to be safe. Right now the D.O.T. standard is a urinalysis test, but most companies are stricter than the D.O.T. It won't be long and the D.O.T. will be wanting to see hair follicle tests. It is simply a matter of time.

You are old school, so you were probably driving when they didn't have drug screening.... how many times have you driven a car or truck under the influence? So, don't try to play Mr. Innocent with me OLD SCHOOL. I don't need you to feel sorry for me. Hair folical, really ... what will the government want next besides my DNA folical... a blood and a sample of my stool. That's going too far and is an invasionof privacy.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

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