Confused About The Changes Taking Effect Feb 7th

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Eddie L.'s Comment
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Confused about the changes taking effect Feb 7th. Current CDL is basic air brakes and combo. Went to DMV to add tankers, doubles and triples, and Hazmat. Based on the practice test provided on the site I went in thinking tankers and doubles/triples would be a cake walk and I would struggle with the Hazmat. To my surprise the Hazmat was the easy one. After I passed the hazmat the guy behind the counter said stop what you’re doing and get the background check complete because they need me to be clear before Monday to avoid having to go to a CDL school to add the endorsement. In a panic I called to arrange the appointment and was told congrats on passing the written but a background check the same day is a no go. I schedule the appointment for the background check and go back inside to finish testing for the other endorsements. I ask the guy behind the counter if I’m good to go since I passed the test and he said no since I won’t have the background done by the 7th. He doubles check with a coworker who says I’m good since I already have a CDL and I passed the test. I’m confused and don’t know which one to believe. Any light that can be shed will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Ed

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Doubles:

Refers to pulling two trailers at the same time, otherwise known as "pups" or "pup trailers" because they're only about 28 feet long. However there are some states that allow doubles that are each 48 feet in length.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Anne A. (and sometimes To's Comment
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Eddie;

This IS a gray area; I've been looking into this for you, but it sounds like the 1st guy was right, sadly. Apparently, Hazmat , B and P endorsements are the only ones that cannot be added for the 1st time, under this new rule, without further training.

From the FMCSA website: ELDT and adding endorsements.

Maybe others can chime in?

~ Anne ~

ps: Do you really NEED that HZ endorsement? I mean, I know it's always a plus and all... but ... ?!?

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Old School's Comment
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Actually I wouldn't even call it a gray area. It's real clear. If you've never had a hazmat endorsement before the new rules take effect, you must go through the proper trainingl to add it. You will need to go through the new protocols if you want to add that particular endorsement.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Eddie L.'s Comment
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Thanks for the replies. I don’t really need it just wanted to try and add some endorsements to my license before the new requirements take effect. I should have done it when I got my CDL years ago but I opted for the minimum required by the company I was working for back then.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Stevo Reno's Comment
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From what my mentor has told me repeatedly, Hazmats not worth the hassle it brings. Constant weigh station inspections, keeping tabs weekly on payroll, be sure he gets paid for it the extra nickle...etc etc.... DOT told him yep because of placards, they tend to pull drivers in more just for that reason, hoping they catch a slip up load.....He's been doing HM 4 years, last year they got pulled in over 50 times lol Always pass but still says it's a pain in the butt.... Arizona, and New Mexico are bad bout that (with them at least)

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

JakeBreak's Comment
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So I should be good if I want to get it put back on my license right? I had my hazmat for the first 4 years then when I went to renew I let it lapse because I didn't want to hassle with it.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Anne A. (and sometimes To's Comment
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So I should be good if I want to get it put back on my license right? I had my hazmat for the first 4 years then when I went to renew I let it lapse because I didn't want to hassle with it.

EXACTLY what I was wondering. Didn't make that clear to O/S.. sorry!

Actually I wouldn't even call it a gray area. It's real clear. If you've never had a hazmat endorsement before the new rules take effect, you must go through the proper trainingl to add it. You will need to go through the new protocols if you want to add that particular endorsement.

Thanks, y'all! I'm wondering too, Jake . . . not sure if Tom's is current or not, tbh! No need as of late. BUT, since he's had it (non renewed) still good to go?!?!? Can't find clarity. Sorry .. Eddie, I guess YOU were just adding as new. Two different DMV people told you two different things, and I can see why.

~ Anne ~

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Anne A. (and sometimes To's Comment
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From what my mentor has told me repeatedly, Hazmats not worth the hassle it brings. Constant weigh station inspections, keeping tabs weekly on payroll, be sure he gets paid for it the extra nickle...etc etc.... DOT told him yep because of placards, they tend to pull drivers in more just for that reason, hoping they catch a slip up load.....He's been doing HM 4 years, last year they got pulled in over 50 times lol Always pass but still says it's a pain in the butt.... Arizona, and New Mexico are bad bout that (with them at least)

Yeppers, Stevo. . . Tom never DID need it when he pulled tanks (6122 and 3257 .. HOT, not Haz. ZERO anything NEAR 1203, haha!) Bossman at the time, just 'recommended it ...' so he's had it. Honestly, not sure if we renewed it or not! It's on 'me' if not.. the 'secretary' .. (Keeper of the Stars!) around here, hahaha!

Were he awake, I'd ask. Straight 4 days off ... sleeping and eating wisely (and joyfully) became more imminent than.. yeah! LoL !! Be safe, my pal!

Always,

~ Anne ~

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Woodstock's Comment
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Congrats on passing

As a first time hazmat seekers you'll need to do 3 things - not in any order: A) knowledge test at dmv B) background check through universalenroll.dhs.gov C) take an eldt course at a registered provider

When I started driving, we needed to pass the written test and that was that. Later they added a background check.

Now eldt adds specialized training to this list. First time Hazmat endorsement seekers such as yourself will need to complete a hazmat course through an fmcsa registered training provider.

Renewal As far as renewal of existing H endorsement goes, the eldt regs make it clear that only first time hazmat endorsement seekers need to go through the extra training.

Bear in mind that mileage may vary here. The feds usually get a lot of questions as rules roll out. So there could be more specific guidance on the way.

Hope that helps

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Anne A. (and sometimes To's Comment
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Congrats on passing

As a first time hazmat seekers you'll need to do 3 things - not in any order: A) knowledge test at dmv B) background check through universalenroll.dhs.gov C) take an eldt course at a registered provider

When I started driving, we needed to pass the written test and that was that. Later they added a background check.

Now eldt adds specialized training to this list. First time Hazmat endorsement seekers such as yourself will need to complete a hazmat course through an fmcsa registered training provider.

Renewal As far as renewal of existing H endorsement goes, the eldt regs make it clear that only first time hazmat endorsement seekers need to go through the extra training.

Bear in mind that mileage may vary here. The feds usually get a lot of questions as rules roll out. So there could be more specific guidance on the way.

Hope that helps

Thank you for this !! ^^^^^^

~ Anne ~

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

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