I Didn't Pass My Skills Test In Vermont

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PackRat's Comment
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I have finished and passed all the course work. (edlt)

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What about the completion certificate from the course to satisfy the Federal Regulations for Entry Level Driver Traning? Not having that = no driving.

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Do you have a completion certificate after not passing the driving skills portion?

NaeNaeInNC's Comment
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Unfortunately you are stuck with the option of paying the school for the use of their equipment and driver once they open back up. That IS their backup plan for failure during testing.

Auto insurance is way different than the insurance underwriting for a tractor/trailer. They are also way way more picky about who can operate the insured equipment. The reason Mega Carriers can train, is that they are USUALLY self insured (with catastrophic coverage levels beyond a certain amount.) They are also super picky about requirements to operate their equipment.

Is it possible for your CDLa holder family member to rent a truck/trailer from Penske? Possible. Likely? Not really. They would again have to provide proof of acceptable insurance coverage levels. That is big time money outlay when you are talking about allowing a newbie to drive it, even directly supervised.

This is one of those times where more research would have been helpful up front, but for most people, they don't understand what the really truly important questions and issues are, until it's too late.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Darlene R.'s Comment
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Yes. like if I look myself up in the FMCSA site, my name and info comes up as completed and gives my grades/hours for Range, Theory, public road and hazmat theory portion.

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I have finished and passed all the course work. (edlt)

double-quotes-start.png

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What about the completion certificate from the course to satisfy the Federal Regulations for Entry Level Driver Traning? Not having that = no driving.

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Do you have a completion certificate after not passing the driving skills portion?

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Darlene R.'s Comment
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Thank you for the repy and information.

I researched my options before hand and this was my best choice, with the knowledge I had - so if I had started looking for information with this site (or other truckers that had more time put in) way back in the beginning of this journey I would have maybe had better info to research with.

Unfortunately you are stuck with the option of paying the school for the use of their equipment and driver once they open back up. That IS their backup plan for failure during testing.

Auto insurance is way different than the insurance underwriting for a tractor/trailer. They are also way way more picky about who can operate the insured equipment. The reason Mega Carriers can train, is that they are USUALLY self insured (with catastrophic coverage levels beyond a certain amount.) They are also super picky about requirements to operate their equipment.

Is it possible for your CDLa holder family member to rent a truck/trailer from Penske? Possible. Likely? Not really. They would again have to provide proof of acceptable insurance coverage levels. That is big time money outlay when you are talking about allowing a newbie to drive it, even directly supervised.

This is one of those times where more research would have been helpful up front, but for most people, they don't understand what the really truly important questions and issues are, until it's too late.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Darlene R.'s Comment
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I guess I may have said that wrong?

I passed the school all the tests and skills there.

when they brought me to the dmv I failed the air brakes test because I forgot a step. So technically I never even got in the road.

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I have finished and passed all the course work. (edlt)

double-quotes-start.png

double-quotes-start.png

What about the completion certificate from the course to satisfy the Federal Regulations for Entry Level Driver Traning? Not having that = no driving.

double-quotes-end.png

double-quotes-end.png

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Do you have a completion certificate after not passing the driving skills portion?

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Greg M.'s Comment
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For what it’s worth don’t let failing the air brake portion of the pre-trip bother you too much. It took me 3 attempts to get past it. And I used to replace/repair brake chambers and manually adjust brakes in the days before auto slack adjusters.

First time I did not keep track of the time and hit the 30 minute mark as I was conducting the in cab portion of the test FAIL. Second time I did the entire test with both tractor and trailer brakes set. Wondered why the examiner was staring at me funny, I think he was trying to get me to notice my mistake. Third time was the charm and passed the rest of the tests with no issues.

Keep practicing your pre trip routine even though your next step is not clear yet. I had an Audi TT that had a couple of buttons that sort of looked like brake buttons. I put red and yellow stickers on them and would sit in the car and practice the air brake tests. My wife thought I was nuts.

Darlene R.'s Comment
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Thanks, I didn't turn the key forward enough, like i turned it but only part way! I noticed it when I was waiting for my low air alarm to come on.

For what it’s worth don’t let failing the air brake portion of the pre-trip bother you too much. It took me 3 attempts to get past it. And I used to replace/repair brake chambers and manually adjust brakes in the days before auto slack adjusters.

First time I did not keep track of the time and hit the 30 minute mark as I was conducting the in cab portion of the test FAIL. Second time I did the entire test with both tractor and trailer brakes set. Wondered why the examiner was staring at me funny, I think he was trying to get me to notice my mistake. Third time was the charm and passed the rest of the tests with no issues.

Keep practicing your pre trip routine even though your next step is not clear yet. I had an Audi TT that had a couple of buttons that sort of looked like brake buttons. I put red and yellow stickers on them and would sit in the car and practice the air brake tests. My wife thought I was nuts.

Stevo Reno's Comment
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Yes it happens a lot, I too failed at the DMV 3 times, 1st was airbrakes DUH fogot what to say. 2nd time truck failed, bad governor wouldn't go past 100 psi, no ding on me. 3rd time, I got thru to in cab, finished THEN lady says I failed air brakes??? WTF then why did she let me go thru in cab, I was ticked off, told her she was crazy hahaha (she failed 95% of everyone !) seen her my times there, waiting my turns. 2nd training school I went to CRST, I passed it all and had CDL on day 10. Hindsight I shoulda went there to start with not some local POS , WIOA paid "school" (more self taught training than real training)

Good luck Darlene finding your way to "git r dun"

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CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

WIOA:

WIOA - Workforce Innovation & Opportunity Act (aka WIA)

Formerly known as the Workforce Investment Act (WIA), the WIOA was established in 1998 to prepare youth, adults and dislocated workers for entry and reentry into the workforce. WIOA training funds are designed to serve laid-off individuals, older youth and adults who are in need of training to enter or reenter the labor market. A lot of truck drivers get funding for their CDL training through WIOA.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Darlene R.'s Comment
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Thank you, I feel hopeful!.

Yes it happens a lot, I too failed at the DMV 3 times, 1st was airbrakes DUH fogot what to say. 2nd time truck failed, bad governor wouldn't go past 100 psi, no ding on me. 3rd time, I got thru to in cab, finished THEN lady says I failed air brakes??? WTF then why did she let me go thru in cab, I was ticked off, told her she was crazy hahaha (she failed 95% of everyone !) seen her my times there, waiting my turns. 2nd training school I went to CRST, I passed it all and had CDL on day 10. Hindsight I shoulda went there to start with not some local POS , WIOA paid "school" (more self taught training than real training)

Good luck Darlene finding your way to "git r dun"

good-luck.gif good-luck.gif

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

WIOA:

WIOA - Workforce Innovation & Opportunity Act (aka WIA)

Formerly known as the Workforce Investment Act (WIA), the WIOA was established in 1998 to prepare youth, adults and dislocated workers for entry and reentry into the workforce. WIOA training funds are designed to serve laid-off individuals, older youth and adults who are in need of training to enter or reenter the labor market. A lot of truck drivers get funding for their CDL training through WIOA.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Old School's Comment
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I'm still confused by your answer to PackRat. I don't see how you could have a training certificate and not have your CDL. You said...

Yes. like if I look myself up in the FMCSA site, my name and info comes up as completed and gives my grades/hours for Range, Theory, public road and hazmat theory portion.

That really means nothing. Without a physical copy of a training certificate you don't have anything helpful toward your career.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
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