Failed Schneider Hair Follicle Test

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NaeNaeInNC's Comment
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Dude. If you are going to have a snowballs chance in hades, you are going to have to complete the SAP in good faith. Anything reported on your DAC is just as valid for a "pre employment drug screen failure." But sure. Argue that you don't have to do it. See exactly how quickly someone will put your butt in the seat.

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Once your appeal is completed, you will need to look at SAP for a return to driving. Until that point you will have a brick wall in front of you for driving a CMV.

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This hair test was not reported to Clearing house as only urine tests are reported so i dont have to complete SAP and its not on my record. but its now on my DAC report and hindering my ability to get a job. so far it looks like the only options i have for hiring are the "second chance" mega carriers

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

CMV:

Commercial Motor Vehicle

A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:

  • Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
  • Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
  • Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
  • Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
  • Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

PackRat's Comment
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Previously someone mentioned being hired by Pam after failing a hair test done at a different company.

I remember. I do not take those folks as telling the truth. Just my thoughts. There may be substance users that can be trusted out there.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Stephen S.'s Comment
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I recently got my CDL and applied to my first trucking job, to my surprise I failed Schneider's hair follicle test even thought I paid for my own hair screening before just to make sure and came back negative. anyway I was sent home and am now applying to any trucking job I can get my hands on but most of them are now denying my application due to the report being filled on my DriverIQ website report. Is there anyway to get rid of this or fight this? will it be removed from my report with time? what is my best option or company that I should apply to or is my driving career over before I even started? I am extremely frustrated because Schneider didnt even let me explain my case or appeal it and sent me home immediately as if there's never false positives for hair tests ( which national average shows about 15% are false positive)

Hey Cameron, sorry to hear this happened to you. Was it for cannabis? Do you remember approximately what your test results were, was it over 1pg/mg? I'm basically wondering if anything above a "0" on prehire is a fail. Supposedly the general cutoff is 1pg/mg.

I haven't smoked in about six months and have been testing positive on urine for maybe four, but I'm just paranoid anything at all will mess up my career before it starts.

1pg is 1/1,000,000,000,000 of a gram.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Prehire:

What Exactly Is A Pre-Hire Letter?

Pre-hire letters are acceptance letters from trucking companies to students, or even potential students, to verify placement. The trucking companies are saying in writing that the student, or potential student, appears to meet the company's minimum hiring requirements and is welcome to attend their orientation at the company’s expense once he or she graduates from truck driving school and has their CDL in hand.

We have an excellent article that will help you Understand The Pre-Hire Process.

A Pre-Hire Letter Is Not A Guarantee Of Employment

The people that receive a pre-hire letter are people who meet the company's minimum hiring requirements, but it is not an employment contract. It is an invitation to orientation, and the orientation itself is a prerequisite to employment.

During the orientation you will get a physical, drug screen, and background check done. These and other qualifications must be met before someone in orientation is officially hired.

Banks's Comment
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I recently got my CDL and applied to my first trucking job, to my surprise I failed Schneider's hair follicle test even thought I paid for my own hair screening before just to make sure and came back negative. anyway I was sent home and am now applying to any trucking job I can get my hands on but most of them are now denying my application due to the report being filled on my DriverIQ website report. Is there anyway to get rid of this or fight this? will it be removed from my report with time? what is my best option or company that I should apply to or is my driving career over before I even started? I am extremely frustrated because Schneider didnt even let me explain my case or appeal it and sent me home immediately as if there's never false positives for hair tests ( which national average shows about 15% are false positive)

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Hey Cameron, sorry to hear this happened to you. Was it for cannabis? Do you remember approximately what your test results were, was it over 1pg/mg? I'm basically wondering if anything above a "0" on prehire is a fail. Supposedly the general cutoff is 1pg/mg.

I haven't smoked in about six months and have been testing positive on urine for maybe four, but I'm just paranoid anything at all will mess up my career before it starts.

1pg is 1/1,000,000,000,000 of a gram.

Cameron hasn't been here since this post. Give yourself a year.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Prehire:

What Exactly Is A Pre-Hire Letter?

Pre-hire letters are acceptance letters from trucking companies to students, or even potential students, to verify placement. The trucking companies are saying in writing that the student, or potential student, appears to meet the company's minimum hiring requirements and is welcome to attend their orientation at the company’s expense once he or she graduates from truck driving school and has their CDL in hand.

We have an excellent article that will help you Understand The Pre-Hire Process.

A Pre-Hire Letter Is Not A Guarantee Of Employment

The people that receive a pre-hire letter are people who meet the company's minimum hiring requirements, but it is not an employment contract. It is an invitation to orientation, and the orientation itself is a prerequisite to employment.

During the orientation you will get a physical, drug screen, and background check done. These and other qualifications must be met before someone in orientation is officially hired.

Kenneth P.'s Comment
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I don't like this answer. Talk about ambiguous. How many months were you clean? When was your last date of drug use, and what was your drug of choice? Where did they take the sample from? Head, armpits, chest, legs, arms, facial hair? I would never rely on a home test holding up against the more expensive testing this huge corporations use.

You took a drug test at home because you suspected you might not test clean. You rolled the dice and put your faith in that home test. Schneider's test likely did not produce a false positive, your home test obviously was not to the same standard of detection.

Now I have read that Schneider in some cases allows for those failing a hair follicle test to reapply after waiting some period of time if that person at least passed the UA portion of the testing. I'm not positive about that and its best to discuss with a recruiter.

I have smoked pot in the past, given it up a year ago this past January before I went to Colombia for a month and a half. During that month and a half, I quit chewing tobacco, gave up the weed, and returned feeling good about kicking both habits.

I have remained weed and tobacco free since Jan and will be attending Schneider's orientation in October this year. So I am most curious about the specifics in your case. Date of last use, where sample was taken from, and what drug or drugs you tested positive for. I want to avoid at all costs potentially having to deal with any issues that would prevent me from being hired. I've invested too much time and money pursuing my CDL and I want this opportunity with Schneider to move forward in a manner that leads to a satisfying career in trucking.

I have no hair on my head. Doubt I would even grow enough hair on my head to sample in six months. I have now discernable body hair, no armpit hair, no chest hair, no leg hair. Very thin arm hair that again might not produce enough of a sample to test. Only real hair i have these days is facial hair. Apparently this will be sufficient to use for testing. But I have heard facial or body hair will show THC metabolites for a longer period of time than hair taken from the scalp.

Again, I would appreciate specifics related to your situation. I can't risk a positive test for THC.

How would you fight it? Did you use prohibited substances and get caught through their testing procedures?

No i have been clean for many months as im taking my trucking career seriously, I even paid for my own hair screen before going to orientation to make sure and the results were negative. So i emailed Schneider telling them I wish to appeal my termination and to show them the hair test results I paid for out of pocket and that their test was a false positive. I also opened a case on driver IQ/cisive to appeal their report on my termination as its now affecting my ability to get hired at other trucking companys

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
ID Mtn Gal's Comment
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I don't like this answer. Talk about ambiguous. How many months were you clean? When was your last date of drug use, and what was your drug of choice? Where did they take the sample from? Head, armpits, chest, legs, arms, facial hair? I would never rely on a home test holding up against the more expensive testing this huge corporations use.

You will probably not be hearing from him because he has not come back after his last post. He never let us know what ever became of his situation.

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