Help Please - Bobtailing And Hours Of Service

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Superlejera's Comment
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Hi I just finish my trainer now I have my out truck .i going to Springfield, MO from New York with out a trailer do I still need to follow the hours of service? Thank you

Michael V.'s Comment
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Yes

Ernie S. (AKA Old Salty D's Comment
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Hi I just finish my trainer now I have my out truck .i going to Springfiel mo from New York with out a trailer do I still need to fallow the hours of service? Thankn you

Any time you are driving a CMV (Commercial Motor Vehicle) you have to follow the hours of service (HOS).

What company are you driving for? Anytime you have questions, should always get with your dispatcher about this. They are your best source when it comes to company policy.

Ernie

Commercial Motor Vehicle:

A commercial motor vehicle is any vehicle used in commerce to transport passengers or property with either:

  • A gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more
  • A gross combination weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more which includes a towed unit with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 10,000 pounds
  • CMV:

    Commercial Motor Vehicle

    A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:

    • Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
    • Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
    • Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
    • Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
    • Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards

    Dispatcher:

    Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

    The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

    HOS:

    Hours Of Service

    HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Rick S.'s Comment
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Yes and No - sorta kinda.

Depending on the circumstance.

What ARE the circumstances? Kind of unusual to be bobtailing solo from NY to SpringMO. Are you doing a TRUCK RECOVERY? What company?

"Technically" - if you are running from home time, back to the terminal - and are not under dispatch - you could run on Line-5 (Personal Conveyance). It's up to your company whether they allow this though - and it would be kind of "unusual" to run Line-5 for 1,100 miles.

Run it legal ANYWAY - if you're just getting out solo, learning how to manage your clocks is a GOOD THING.

Rick

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

LDRSHIP's Comment
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Personal Conveyance can't be used unless he is planning to return to the same area he left, plus that is way more than "reasonable travel" which restricts personal Conveyance to about an hour in duration.

Pete B.'s Comment
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So Rick, when are you getting promoted to "Moderator?" Your [helpful] responses consistently go above and beyond. You didn't have to add that last line, but you did. So right.

Superlejera's Comment
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Thank you everyone for the information

Rick S.'s Comment
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Personal Conveyance can't be used unless he is planning to return to the same area he left, plus that is way more than "reasonable travel" which restricts personal Conveyance to about an hour in duration.

Actually - the regs don't state any "time or distance limits" on Personal Conveyance. One of the cans we kicked down the road the last time we did the great Line-5 debate - was laden/unladen - and many folks opined that bobtail was the only thing that qualified - even though not under dispatch/trailer empty also qualified.

As did the running empty to home time, then back to the terminal (while not under dispatch) and also not specifying time or distance restrictions - BUT - if you were running from home to a PICKUP - you were under dispatch and had to log On Duty/Driving.

The reality is - running from NY to SpringMo, should really be logged - but you might be able to get away with it, under specific circumstances.

I'm assuming he was probably doing a recovery, and technically is under dispatch doing so. So log he must...

Rick

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Rick S.'s Comment
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So Rick, when are you getting promoted to "Moderator?" Your [helpful] responses consistently go above and beyond. You didn't have to add that last line, but you did. So right.

I appreciate the compliment.

A - never been asked. B - don't know that I would.

Moderators here, actually don't have edit/delete rights - so the title is a "ceremonial honor" more than anything else, given to senior members that go above and beyond the average here and gone users. They also have to behave a little better than the "average user", because of their title - something I'm not bound by. I enjoy the autonomy of not being a mod - especially since they don't have the privileges that mods normally get on boards - plus I tend to be pretty heavy handed when it comes to trolls.

LOL...

I've been around here for a long time - longer than my join date - because a few of us "left in protest" over another user, and were asked to come back.

I'll continue to be as helpful as I can, because I have an interest in the industry, I like the family atmosphere of this board (in comparison to some others) - because that's just the way I roll.

Besides...

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Rick

Brett Aquila's Comment
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I've been around here for a long time - longer than my join date

I updated your join date a while back. You didn't notice?

never been asked

Only because you have no actual trucking experience. That's the only reason.

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