Information On Failed Dot Drug Test For Driving School.

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Edward G.'s Comment
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thanks so would it affect me know from getting into school

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This is where it might get sticky - depending on whether or not it was REPORTED.

No one here, would tell you to LIE on an application or DOT Medical Form.

Pretty much every application ASKS if you have ever failed a Drug Test - and they don't give "time windows" (ex: have you ever failed a drug test in the last 5 years?).

If you LIE and it shows up on a background check somewhere - instant termination. If you answer honestly - most companies would likely not even follow up on the application. There are plenty of folks that haven't answered YES to the question, for them to bother with a "potential problem child" so early in the process.

You could pull a copy of your DAC - and see if it shows up there. How do I get a copy of my DAC Report?

There is a specific "return to duty protocol" for failed drug tests - but usually, most new applicants that follow this, still find themselves pretty much screwed for the immediate future - and I really haven't heard the results of someone "waiting a few years and trying again".

You can try and "blind call" a recruiter at a company you have NO INTENTION OF WORKING FOR, and ask them.

"Hey - I failed a drug screen at a private trucking school 6 years ago, should I even bother applying?"

Pull a DAC and see if it shows up. If it does - you are pretty much screwed. If it doesn't - you could try and "roll the dice" and not disclose.

Best of luck - keep us posted.

Rick

checked dac report and they three are four checks and nothing has been reported have not even got any thing on dac has got where a few companies checked records in 2010 so I think everything is good so I'm going to keep studying wish me luck and GOD BLESS YOU ALL

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

Swamp Donkey's Comment
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Use to be able to check your D.A.C report online with hireright.com but i can't find the link But here is this a blurp i found " The report is only available in hard-copy format. Direct any questions to HireRight's Customer Service Department at 1-800-381-0645.

But your question is a tuff one. and the grey area is there. You Applied for Truck Driving school not a job. The job could only be offered once you obtained your CDL. *but if it is one of the big companies that you can get training from they might have cause well that is how the roll.* So check your DAC report. Check it Yearly too even if you are a Owner Operator or have worked for the same company for 5 -10 years You never know what can pop up in one.

Most companies will ask if you failed a drug test in like 3 years. or so many years. If you have been clean for a few years best i say is if in doubt put yes and explain that you have gotten help and are now clean. Worse they will do is test you more often or not hire you at all.

I failed dot drug test for driving school about six years ago and I have been clean for awhile now will failed dot drug test still show up on me I already had permit before they fired me and should I put it on my applications that I have failed a drug test looking to get cdl training by company sponsored.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Owner Operator:

An owner-operator is a driver who either owns or leases the truck they are driving. A self-employed driver.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

Rick S.'s Comment
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Regardless of whether you opt to disclose or not - you are BEST SERVED by trying to get into a company that does in-house training. Depending on the school you went to - they may NOT HAVE REPORTED the failed screen. A COMPANY certainly would - they are actually required to - and they do so, to protect other companies from taking on someone who potentially has substance issues.

If this IS going to become an issue (the old, failed test), going to a non-company school may get you a CDL (with cash out of pocket), that you might not be able to use due to the failed test. At least, if you get into a company program - you stand a better chance of clear sailing - and you will come out of training with a CDL AND A JOB. A non-company CDL school really doesn't guarantee you a job - they just get you a CDL. Many schools will take folks they KNOW will never get a job (due to horrible driving/criminal records, etc.), because they are solely about getting you a CDL and taking your money.

To reiterate - truck driving schools that operate their vehicles ON PUBLIC STREETS - are considered a "safety sensitive position", which makes the drug screen a DOT DRUG SCREEN.

The school I went to (a County Vo-Tech), did typical "chain of evidence type" testing. Seals on containers, seals on the bags they went into. We lost 2 out of the 12 in my class - to failed tests. And the tests took a couple of days to come back (sent out to a lab). And the director of the school I went to, would review a students MVR and ask about criminal records, and would actually advise students whose odds of getting a job were very small - to NOT TAKE the course and save their $$ & time.

A failed DOT Drug Screen, requires a specific procedure to be completed, to allow for a drivers return to duty. From the few cases we've heard of here - even completing that procedure (for a new applicant) still made it difficult (to nearly impossible) to get back into the industry. Even drivers with years of experience, have a hard time getting back on if they fail a test when switching companies, or a random while they are employed.

And you are subject to randoms at all times also. You'll get GPS'd to see your location - you'll get a call telling you to pull off and report to that location, and get dropped on the spot. And if you drop hot on a random while you are out - you are required to be PUT OOS.

Rick

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

MVR:

Motor Vehicle Record

An MVR is a report of your driving history, as reported from your state Department of Motor Vehicles. Information on this report may include Drivers License information, point history, violations, convictions, and license status on your driving record.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Edward G.'s Comment
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Regardless of whether you opt to disclose or not - you are BEST SERVED by trying to get into a company that does in-house training. Depending on the school you went to - they may NOT HAVE REPORTED the failed screen. A COMPANY certainly would - they are actually required to - and they do so, to protect other companies from taking on someone who potentially has substance issues.

If this IS going to become an issue (the old, failed test), going to a non-company school may get you a CDL (with cash out of pocket), that you might not be able to use due to the failed test. At least, if you get into a company program - you stand a better chance of clear sailing - and you will come out of training with a CDL AND A JOB. A non-company CDL school really doesn't guarantee you a job - they just get you a CDL. Many schools will take folks they KNOW will never get a job (due to horrible driving/criminal records, etc.), because they are solely about getting you a CDL and taking your money.

To reiterate - truck driving schools that operate their vehicles ON PUBLIC STREETS - are considered a "safety sensitive position", which makes the drug screen a DOT DRUG SCREEN.

The school I went to (a County Vo-Tech), did typical "chain of evidence type" testing. Seals on containers, seals on the bags they went into. We lost 2 out of the 12 in my class - to failed tests. And the tests took a couple of days to come back (sent out to a lab). And the director of the school I went to, would review a students MVR and ask about criminal records, and would actually advise students whose odds of getting a job were very small - to NOT TAKE the course and save their $$ & time.

A failed DOT Drug Screen, requires a specific procedure to be completed, to allow for a drivers return to duty. From the few cases we've heard of here - even completing that procedure (for a new applicant) still made it difficult (to nearly impossible) to get back into the industry. Even drivers with years of experience, have a hard time getting back on if they fail a test when switching companies, or a random while they are employed.

And you are subject to randoms at all times also. You'll get GPS'd to see your location - you'll get a call telling you to pull off and report to that location, and get dropped on the spot. And if you drop hot on a random while you are out - you are required to be PUT OOS.

Rick

called hirerite and the lady ran checks on my records and nothing showed up on me but some trucking company's that checked my records 10 years ago

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

MVR:

Motor Vehicle Record

An MVR is a report of your driving history, as reported from your state Department of Motor Vehicles. Information on this report may include Drivers License information, point history, violations, convictions, and license status on your driving record.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Cien T.'s Comment
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I failed my dot drug test, while appling for truck driving school. I do not have a CDL permit nor have I applied at DMV for CDL. Would my school report this to anyone? Would I need to do the SAP ?

Thank you all

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

PackRat's Comment
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Yes, you would need to report it on ANY job application concerning driving.

It’s a kiss of death for many years, even after going through a successful completion of a certified SAP course. Insurance companies will consider you too big a risk. Maybe after you do a SAP course, show sustained clean driving, and steady employment history, you can try applying. Be prepared for it to be a steep uphill battle.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Jakki D.'s Comment
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I have an odd situation. I was in trucking school passed my hair follicle but failed my UA, how can this of happened?? The lab the school used kept my tests and others for 8 and 9 days before coming back with results as well. I question their professionalism as well as their accuracy since I KNOW I have not smoked marajuana. Help please...

ChrisEMT's Comment
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I would suggest, as others have, pull your DAC through hire right and see what is on your record. It will be a hard copy, and you can get 1 free copy per year.... This way you will know what is and is not in your file....

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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This is the way it will go down. "Have you ever failed a drug test in order for employment or pre employment?" That's the question they will ask. Your best bet is to apply to as many company's as you can and be honest with the question.

The investigation is thorough and not telling them is just not an option Good Luck.

If it was for CDL school, and that is the way the question is worded, unless it were a company sponsored school, answering no would be honest, would it not?

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Rick S.'s Comment
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I have an odd situation. I was in trucking school passed my hair follicle but failed my UA, how can this of happened?? The lab the school used kept my tests and others for 8 and 9 days before coming back with results as well. I question their professionalism as well as their accuracy since I KNOW I have not smoked marajuana. Help please...

For the sake on conversation (not saying you're BS-ing about the weed).

If you had JUST SMOKED within days of hair testing - it WOULD NOT SHOW on a hair test - but WOULD SHOW on a urine screen. Takes time for it to work through your system and be excreted through follicles into your hair.

I would DEMAND THE RESULTS of your screen - and a RE-TEST. Keeping in mind, if you HAVE actually had exposure (even close/intense second-hand - like going to a few GRATEFUL DEAD CONCERTS - I've been to 347 of them, 73 clean and sober - and have NEVER gotten a "contact high") - depending on how much time has passed, you might actually throw a detectable in your hair also.

If you live in a house with a pothead, you may have had accidental/unintentional exposure also.

Weed is one of THE HARDEST DRUGS to mask in testing. It is detectable longer than other substances (typically 72 hours in urine). Prolonged exposure can stay in urine for 90-days and in hair for 6 months (or even longer from things I've heard) as it leeches from fat cells.

Check out this article on false positive marijuana screens.

With the proliferation of legal/recreational and medical laws in more and more states - the instances of non-use exposure are likely to continue to rise. We're not even legal in FL yet (med card only) - yet driving down the road, I smell it coming out of cars all over the place. And todays weed is WAY WAY HIGHER IN THC CONTENT, than the "stems & seeds" of the good old days of "Panama Red". Which also drives the risk of accidental exposure WAY UP. It's being cooked into foods, processed into edibles (with THC "gummy bears" being taken to schools by children by accident).

Now - I'm all for recreational legalization, even though, as a recovering addict/alcoholic - I would still take a hard pass (lack of self control).

But THC-Based products, even if legalized FEDERALLY - will NEVER BE APPROVED FOR USE FOR EMPLOYEES IN FEDERALLY REGULATED SAFETY SENSITIVE POSITIONS (trucking, pilots, etc.).

Best of luck - keep us posted on your progress.

Rick

(P.S. - most of the time we just call BS on failed drug test posts. While they DO OCCUR, they are usually quite rare.)

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