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Chris M's Comment
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Yeah I would say that's a pretty hefty violation. You can't just decide you wanna drive somewhere and tell the company to put it as off duty driving. Especially if the company doesn't give company drivers line 5 on the QC (I'm assuming CR England doesn't).

So was Robin driving from a truck stop to a restaurant or something thinking the company could just change that to line 5? Or was she out of hours and drove somewhere to find parking or to get to a customer and requested it to be changed to line 5 to avoid a violation? Because that would in and of itself be a violation since you can't advance your position on line 5.

Ken H.'s Comment
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Hello Trucking Truth I'm glad I found this thread, boy, if the guy got fired in training, I'm a little leery about learning to drive a truck :( might have to switch my interest, I thought it would be a challenge and interesting opportunity but if there are possibilities of being fired on an oversight especially in training, that's harsh not worth the hassle, I mean we're all only human.

G-Town's Comment
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Ken wrote;

Hello Trucking Truth I'm glad I found this thread, boy, if the guy got fired in training, I'm a little leery about learning to drive a truck :( might have to switch my interest, I thought it would be a challenge and interesting opportunity but if there are possibilities of being fired on an oversight especially in training, that's harsh not worth the hassle, I mean we're all only human.

Ken not an oversight, far from it. Driving while logged off-duty unless for personal conveyance as defined in HOS guidelines is clearly a violation.

See this link...

Learn The Logbook Rules (HOS)

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Logbook:

A written or electronic record of a driver's duty status which must be maintained at all times. The driver records the amount of time spent driving, on-duty not driving, in the sleeper berth, or off duty. The enforcement of the Hours Of Service Rules (HOS) are based upon the entries put in a driver's logbook.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Dan R.'s Comment
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That makes it a bit more clear, but it would still be nice to know the circumstances. For some info on what England's policy is on line five, you have to get approval from your DM , call logs BEFORE you start, log off duty personal conveyance(as in line 4 with a flag, not line 5) for long enough to make it stay on the ELD, then drive on line 3, and go back to and do off duty personal conveyance on line 4 again, then call logs again when you arrive. Then the same when you go back(which you ALWAYS do in accordance with the law, right? ;) ).

They try to avoid it whenever possible, and I generally don't bother. Logs is a business hours only department too, so if, let's say, you get all the approvals and start driving at 17:00 MST, you best hope you don't meet any bears that want to look at your logs as they won't be changing until Logs opens back up. I have done it before, even without asking permission first, and got a talking to not fired. So I think we're still missing something or she made a habit of doing it without permission.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Ken H.'s Comment
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Response to G-Town Thanks for you're response.... So basically each day is an 11 Hour Driving day Limit? Once I have driven a total of 11 hours, must be off duty for another 10 consecutive hours before driving the truck again? So lets say I start a trip on a Monday morning at 6:00am, I can drive until 5:00pm Monday evening, then I would log in the log-book off duty until Tuesday 3:00am (10 hours) then start out and log in to log book on-duty? Thanks for the feedback Ken

Rick S.'s Comment
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That makes it a bit more clear, but it would still be nice to know the circumstances. For some info on what England's policy is on line five, you have to get approval from your DM , call logs BEFORE you start, log off duty personal conveyance(as in line 4 with a flag, not line 5) for long enough to make it stay on the ELD, then drive on line 3, and go back to and do off duty personal conveyance on line 4 again, then call logs again when you arrive. Then the same when you go back(which you ALWAYS do in accordance with the law, right? ;) ).

They try to avoid it whenever possible, and I generally don't bother. Logs is a business hours only department too, so if, let's say, you get all the approvals and start driving at 17:00 MST, you best hope you don't meet any bears that want to look at your logs as they won't be changing until Logs opens back up. I have done it before, even without asking permission first, and got a talking to not fired. So I think we're still missing something or she made a habit of doing it without permission.

Better off calling a CAB (or Uber). Better off hitchhiking.

That's a PITA policy. Might was well just not all Line 5 AT ALL.

Rick

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Dan R.'s Comment
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Totally agree, I avoid it like the plague. Did it once in training so I knew how to do it, and did it once on my own to beat a snowpocalypse storm home. Plenty of times where it's been close(like having two hours on the clock and leaving our yard in Portland at 17:00 to go ~100 miles away. Popped the brakes with 10 minutes left on my 70 lol).

Susan D. 's Comment
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My company doesn't allow personal conveyance. They say it's difficult for many drivers to understand and way too easy to get into trouble with.

Pete B.'s Comment
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Same with the company I work for... no line 5/personal conveyance, and also no 10/2 split sleeper berth allowed. Company policy is to take a 10hr break. Can't say that I've needed either however; definitely haven't been challenged to the point where the 10/2 would have proven useful, and I must admit I don't fully understand the 'personal conveyance' rules.

Sleeper Berth:

The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
LDRSHIP's Comment
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Same with the company I work for... no line 5/personal conveyance, and also no 10/2 split sleeper berth allowed. Company policy is to take a 10hr break. Can't say that I've needed either however; definitely haven't been challenged to the point where the 10/2 would have proven useful, and I must admit I don't fully understand the 'personal conveyance' rules.

It is an 8/2 split sleeper berth provision. It has saved my hide more than I care to admit. I had to do almost an entire week with a rolling 8/2 sleeper. That week sucked.

Sleeper Berth:

The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
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