Terminated From CR England

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Robin W.'s Comment
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0n 7/18 I was terminated from CR England for Log violation after 3 months of service. Now my contract will not expire until Jan. Of next year I am not disputing the contract but they is calling other companies and telling them that I am under contract with them and I cannot use my CDLs to drive for any other company. I agreed to pay 195 a month by the 15 of every month to pay off tuition but they are still hindering me from getting a job anywhere. I got them to send me my elogs and looked at them and I do not see any violations. So, my question is why did they fire me. I never had no accidents, I was getting miles made all trips on time. My last week i was solo so since i have no log violation why did they disqualify me?

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Elog:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Elogs:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Daniel B.'s Comment
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Perhaps you have been getting DoT violations on a daily basis by doing something you didn't know was a violation?

Have you had any DoT inspections? There has to be more to this story. It costs them a whole lot of money to train a student and takes a while to get their investment back. They wouldn't fire a driver that early for no reason.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Rainy 's Comment
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I don't know about CRE, but Primes log department will sit you down and explain what you are doing wrong.

Did you talk to logs and ask?

Who terminated you, your DM or someone from logs?

And you only had one week solo?

Sounds strange.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Bill F.'s Comment
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Call them up and ask them specifically what the violation was and when it happened.

Dan R.'s Comment
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It must have been something quite serious, I've never had them even call me. Frankly, I'm not even sure I believe this unless you blatantly drove while out of hours for quite a while. They have a multi-step process for dealing with log violations, will issue training on CREU, bring you in to talk to you, all of that long before termination. What did they tell you that you did?

As for not using your CDL , unless they have a clause in your contract saying you won't compete, I don't think they have a leg to stand on. Your DMV has your test scores reported so they can't just revoke those, and the CDL isn't their property. I'm also fairly sure that them disqualifying you is them breaking the contract anyway(which doesn't get rid of the debt, just ends the 'we'll cover it and forgive it after 8 months' aspect of the debt).

In any case, I can tell you right now we're missing a considerable portion of this story.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Shiva's Comment
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It must have been something quite serious, I've never had them even call me. Frankly, I'm not even sure I believe this unless you blatantly drove while out of hours for quite a while. They have a multi-step process for dealing with log violations, will issue training on CREU, bring you in to talk to you, all of that long before termination. What did they tell you that you did?

As for not using your CDL , unless they have a clause in your contract saying you won't compete, I don't think they have a leg to stand on. Your DMV has your test scores reported so they can't just revoke those, and the CDL isn't their property. I'm also fairly sure that them disqualifying you is them breaking the contract anyway(which doesn't get rid of the debt, just ends the 'we'll cover it and forgive it after 8 months' aspect of the debt).

In any case, I can tell you right now we're missing a considerable portion of this story.

Driving when out of hours is only 1 way to violate. If you send arrival and mt calls when off duty can be a log violation etc

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
G-Town's Comment
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I think the overriding point here is no company is going to terminate for a single, minor log violation without at least one discussion and additional training. I won't speculate, but there is pieces to this story that are missing.

Robin please give us ALL the details.

Dan R.'s Comment
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It is, Shiva, but it's not one that England will terminate you for, or even give you a company log violation for. I took a really long time to grasp how HOS works and got a number of violations from the company for just about everything except driving without time on the clock and never so much as got a phone call. I can't even imagine what the poster did to get terminated for it from England, especially while still under contract.

But G-Town hit it spot on. We could senselessly bicker back and forth about what is and what is not a violation, but without the full story from the OP, it's kinda pointless. Something happened, and my guess would be it was either extremely serious(like running a full shift without hours) or, I dunno, never actually touching the Qualcomm. But there's something going on here.

Qualcomm:

Omnitracs (a.k.a. Qualcomm) is a satellite-based messaging system with built-in GPS capabilities built by Qualcomm. It has a small computer screen and keyboard and is tied into the truck’s computer. It allows trucking companies to track where the driver is at, monitor the truck, and send and receive messages with the driver – similar to email.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Shiva's Comment
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It is, Shiva, but it's not one that England will terminate you for, or even give you a company log violation for. I took a really long time to grasp how HOS works and got a number of violations from the company for just about everything except driving without time on the clock and never so much as got a phone call. I can't even imagine what the poster did to get terminated for it from England, especially while still under contract.

But G-Town hit it spot on. We could senselessly bicker back and forth about what is and what is not a violation, but without the full story from the OP, it's kinda pointless. Something happened, and my guess would be it was either extremely serious(like running a full shift without hours) or, I dunno, never actually touching the Qualcomm. But there's something going on here.

I agree. I accidentally did it for a whole week and JB HUNT called me in and explainEd to me what I was doing wrong and how to fix it

Qualcomm:

Omnitracs (a.k.a. Qualcomm) is a satellite-based messaging system with built-in GPS capabilities built by Qualcomm. It has a small computer screen and keyboard and is tied into the truck’s computer. It allows trucking companies to track where the driver is at, monitor the truck, and send and receive messages with the driver – similar to email.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Brett Aquila's Comment
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For some reason on a different topic Robin responded to this by saying:

In reply to to comment terminated by CR England I was driving off the clock though I requested logs to put me down for off duty driving they considered it a violation that wouldn't be tolerated.....

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