What Is The Point Of A DSE??

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Jeffry T.'s Comment
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I had to do this when I worked at roehl it's really no big deal man. You take one of there instructors on a short ride takes less then 30 mins then you do a single back and as long as you don't hit anything you move on to solo. It's just an added measure to ensure you can safely operate a cmv your time with a trainer is very short and there is a lot to be learned in that time. This added practice if you will if for yours and there benefit.

CMV:

Commercial Motor Vehicle

A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:

  • Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
  • Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
  • Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
  • Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
  • Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards
Rainy D.'s Comment
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Thanks for the responses!

I guess my worry came off the wrong way. I often wonder logically where companies come up with the things that they do, which starts off innocently enough with curiosity, but when I don't get answers or get some kind of run around, I can start arguing.

I've been through so much garbage with jobs in the past, my last job hasn't even paid me (or anyone) and they are in massive trouble with the US Dept of Labor.

The job before that was bought out by a tyrant who bought stores state wide with the intent to start fresh. Everyone state wide was either fired or forced to quit, and even if they quit, the company still told everyone they were fired. Funny thing was, I didn't like him the second I met him. My gut was so against him that I began to shake. He won everyone over by showing them big numbers, which they drooled over, not me, I know there's more important things than dollar signs. My hours were cut from 40 to 10.

I could go on, but the fact is, me being cautious is learned behavior. If I smell something strange, I want answers, and guys, you gave them to me, so I am chilled out!

This is unlike any job you have ever had. this is not something you are proficient at after a month or six months.

it seriously takes well over a year or more. we learn stuff every day.

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OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Villain's Comment
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What they should do is some kind of VR thing with sensors. On an overtake & pass see whether you're locating the driver's face in his side mirror to see if his head is down looking at his phone or whatever & when you don't have the other truck take a little swerve at you.

Have you come around a bend & see a cascade of brake lights sprinting at you to check if you are scanning far enough ahead & respecting the need for following distance.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Splitter's Comment
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What they should do is some kind of VR thing with sensors. On an overtake & pass see whether you're locating the driver's face in his side mirror to see if his head is down looking at his phone or whatever & when you don't have the other truck take a little swerve at you.

Have you come around a bend & see a cascade of brake lights sprinting at you to check if you are scanning far enough ahead & respecting the need for following distance.

Prime already has this in the form of simulators. They throw deer, people, pets, weather, etc., all at you while trying to drive your rig through these gauntlets. Basically, all these measures are for an independent, non biased evaluation of the driver’s ability & skill set. When I failed my second road exam, I was taken out by a trainer who I hadn’t driven with at all. He took me through rush hour traffic in Springfield to see if I had the ability to maneuver the truck & trailer safely. At the same time he helped build my confidence & gave me added pointers of things I hadn’t learned yet.

Sometimes trainers & trainees hit it off so well that some may cut corners or be overly impressed by the trainees naturall abilities that they don’t do as thorough a job explaining things as they would with the problem children. In my case, my trainer thought that I would trifecta so much & would bring it up any chance he could, that I believed him while doubting myself the whole time.

His overconfidence in me didn’t allow him to let me drive under the conditions that most intimidated me, shifting up & down in bumper to bumper traffic. Having that neutral second opinion put me exactly where I needed to be & helped me immensely without anyone realizing it. I passed my road test the next day with 11 points out of 32.

P & D:

Pickup & Delivery

Local drivers that stay around their area, usually within 100 mile radius of a terminal, picking up and delivering loads.

LTL (Less Than Truckload) carriers for instance will have Linehaul drivers and P&D drivers. The P&D drivers will deliver loads locally from the terminal and pick up loads returning to the terminal. Linehaul drivers will then run truckloads from terminal to terminal.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

David G.'s Comment
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I know it's unlike any other job and there's always new things to learn. For potentially years. My whole point is... There's no way to really test those things. A DSE isnt going to tell them anything that they didn't see from my actual test last month.

Unless they make me do something specific that I only learn during these 19 days, which from my understanding speaking to coworkers, they don't.

It's like math, you don't go to Math 101, pass the test, go to Math 201 and take test 101 again, you upgrade the test.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
G-Town's Comment
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Is this really worth all the negative and unnecessary energy you are giving it?

Like I implied in my previous reply...in the grand scheme of things, this is a "nothing".

Turtle's Comment
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A DSE isnt going to tell them anything that they didn't see from my actual test last month.

So you already know more than a multi-million dollar company like Roehl?

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Really dude, your thinking is backwards on this. It's their sandbox, their toys, their rules.

Why are you so bugged over this? Why ask why? I honestly don't think this concern would ever enter most people's radar. If this is the biggest thing you have to worry about, consider yourself lucky.

PackRat's Comment
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How much time does this DSE take to complete anyway?

Cwc's Comment
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How much time does this DSE take to complete anyway?

My guess would be about 20 minutes to figure out if he's a safety hazard behind the wheel.

Absolutely nothing to complain about.

PackRat's Comment
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20 whole minutes? 2/3 of the mandatory DOT rest stop? WOW!!! I was wondering because I was never required to do this when I was at Roehl. Is it only for the newest drivers, prior to heading out solo?

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

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