My CR England Nightmare

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Scott J.'s Comment
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My nightmare began in last week of January of 2018...

they sent me to their Salt Lake City facility..first they told me they were going to put me in a hotel which was a lie, I shared a dorm room is 7 other men who were some of the most disgusting and filthy people I have ever met in my entire life. I ended up getting sick.......twice

the "school" was a total of 10 days, for me it was different as I went to an actual trucking school before hand and was there for a month before having to go home due to a family emergency.

The backing "instructors" were never there...they were there for half of the first day of backing and then never seen after that. There was students teaching students how to offset and parallel park... Took my CDL road test and passed first try. After I passed my test I was told I would have a trainer within 24-48 hours but it took them 2 AND A HALF WEEKS!! They don't pay you anything while in school (normal) and once you pass your road test they give you $25 per day as per diem.

I was relieved to get a trainer, and I was excited to find out my trainer was given a driver of the year award the day he was paired with me. Everything was good for the first hour...after that it all went to hell.

First, he wanted me to drive 60 mph over snow and ice covered mountains in Colorado, then asked to see a picture of my wife and one year old daughter (I didn't mind, I was trying to be nice...I had to be with him for a month on the road..) and then started to make sexual remarks about my wife. I took every ounce of strength I had to not knock him out, but its not worth losing my job or going to jail. I contacted CR England and they got me routed back to SLC and got me a new trainer fairly quickly. The new trainer was good, he wasn't forcing me to drive unsafely or anything like that or threatening to stab me like the first trainer did (dead pun intended)

After I surpassed my hours required for the first phase of training (they say 200 hours but I was done at 160) I was sent to South Holland, IL. They put me in some disgusting red roof inn and had me do further testing to "upgrade" to phase 2. I passed this without issue. They said that I was entitled to 4 days of home time which I happily took since I missed my one year old. I was told from the beginning that they would get me on a bus home but instead they made me wait a week for a truck to come by and pick me up that was coming to New Jersey where I reside. Once the driver arrived to pick me up he told me he was out of hours of service and I needed to drive (no problem). I drove from Lansing, IL to Edison, NJ while he slept.

When payday rolled around I noticed I wasn't paid for those miles driven, so I called payroll to ask why and was met by a woman on the other end of the line that told me to wait until the next check and then hung up on me. Waited another week, still nothing. Turns out when they put me on the truck to go home the training coordinator that did everything never assigned me to the truck and there for I was not entitled to anything driven even though I drove (this is what they told me....) Eventually after 3 more weeks I got paid for it ($32).

After those 4 days they got me on another truck with a guy that was quite possibly one of the weirdest people on planet earth. I was told when I was in phase 1 training that I could team with a friend of mine, after 2 weeks of complaining and threatening to quit they got us paired together. NOW there is where I start to crack...

I wasn't paid for 3 WEEKS

DM refused to get us a load or answer our calls

When I was finally paid, I was shorted by HUNDREDS of dollars, when I called payroll they hung up on me....again

fast forward to now

I have been home for 3 and a half weeks and no one at the company will return my calls, DM wont answer my calls or emails

I have been trying to get back on the road so I can start making money again, but so far NOTHING but then I sat and thought to myself, is it worth it? I was making 0.14 cents a mile driving as a team and 0.20 solo...

I have decided to leave CR Crapland and go to Super Service, much better training and pay....


Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

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  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
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Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

Per Diem:

Getting paid per diem means getting a portion of your salary paid to you without taxes taken out. It's technically classified as a meal and expense reimbursement.

Truck drivers and others who travel for a living get large tax deductions for meal expenses. The Government set up per diem pay as a way to reimburse some of the taxes you pay with each paycheck instead of making you wait until tax filing season.

Getting per diem pay means a driver will get a larger paycheck each week but a smaller tax return at tax time.

We have a ton of information on our wiki page on per diem pay


Transportation Worker Identification Credential

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Old School's Comment
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Welcome to our forum Scott!

I would like to know why a brand new rookie, like yourself, thinks their first post should be a crazy rant about a very successful trucking company? Do you really think you are some sort of authority on recruiting and training new drivers?

I know of some Very Successful Drivers st CR England. It's too bad you couldn't handle it.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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Old School, Scott said he appreciates you wisdom and top tier driving experience and in the future he's going to try harder to be a nicer guy and less confrontational. But he hasn't started to do that just yet so his comments were a little out of line.

Scott, you might figure out someday that screamin' and cussin' and criticizin' everyone when things don't go smoothly doesn't necessarily help your cause. Then again I've known people who lived 80+ years and never figured that out. In that case you know what they say, if you're gonna be dumb you gotta be tough.

By the way, when a company stops paying you or dispatching you it's because they've fired you. I think you were a little slow to catch on. Not only that, but a bunch of the stuff you said makes no sense and never happened. But thanks for stopping by and letting us know how things go when you scream and cuss and criticize everyone you meet.


Old School's Comment
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Brett, I knew what Scott's real problem was, and I thought I could probably get him to demonstrate it so everyone else could see what I already had figured out. The only problem was, he went so overboard with his demonstration that it couldn't be published. shocked.png

Brett Aquila's Comment
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Oh you got him to demonstrate it alright! He sure did go overboard!! There were more asterisks in his reply than there were letters! He cussed so many times the cuss filter almost locked up the server.


Yuuyo Y.'s Comment
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I'm willing to accept that his first post might be mostly BS, but I really can't see that for myself and your comments confuse me more. Can you elaborate?

Old School's Comment
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Yuuyo, it's a common theme in many trucking forums to slander CR England and/or Swift. So guys like Scott, who has yet to even have a trucking job for a few days, think if they storm in here slamming their experience at one of these two companies, then we will think they are "cool." He came in here looking for validation of his false premises, and this is not the place for that.

We will help anyone who wants to learn the truth about this industry. We don't allow B.S. to be randomly thrown about in here. After doing this awhile it just becomes obvious to us who the fakers are. Brett always says, "There's no faking it in trucking." It's a simple, but profound little saying. Scott has a long way to go before he can be called a trucker. He mistakenly thought we would jump in there with him and pile on CR England. We just don't do that here, because it's fake.

Rob T.'s Comment
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I'm willing to accept that his first post might be mostly BS, but I really can't see that for myself and your comments confuse me more. Can you elaborate?

One thing that stuck out to me is that he also bad mouthed them due to their low pay (14 CPM team, 20 CPM solo) if he had done his research he would have seen they are indeed one of the lower paying companies until you prove yourself. People have different priorities when choosing a company. Take prime for instance, they pay I believe 45 CPM to brand new drivers but require you to be out 4 weeks at a time then only get 4 days home before hitting the road again. again (usually). I'm not too familiar with CR England but I do know they're more lenient in hiring criteria as opposed to Prime. In turn they take alot more "less than desirable"candidates and give them a chance. If you prove yourself at any company you'll be rewarded with higher CPM as well as mileage.


Cents Per Mile

Drivers are often paid by the mile and it's given in cents per mile, or cpm.


When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Joseph L.'s Comment
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Trucking jobs, trucking careers , trucking companies are like every other company &career out there they have parts that really suck and that parts are awesome. Before I came to the CR England in Salt lake City I watched a lot of videos on this and a majority of them where pretty negative. Here is what people have to understand about this place, this place is in a constant state of flux. New students are coming every week, you have new drivers going out with trainers and then you have your regular drivers coming and going from here. It seems a lot of drivers leave personal vehicles here, they drop off their trucks get in their cars and go where ever. They come back park grab a truck and head out. Something to remember is most people spend an average of 15 days here, the objective is to get in and out and hopefully on the road. Just my two sense

Scott J.'s Comment
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I posted the damn truth, if you guys cant accept that then I am sorry.... you have no idea...I have been around trucking my whole life. My father drove for 40 years and when I wasn't in school, I was on the truck with my old man....I stand by what I posted and I will not back down or apologize. By the way, I have had my reports run by other companies and they all came back as me still being employed by England...maybe you shouldn't assume things before you have facts

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