Log Violation.

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Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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I got a letter with my pay stub today with a long list of log violations, with points assigned.

The only problem is, I have been emailing my logs to myself, and none of those violations are mine. Two days they listed violations I was off duty.

Going to call Logs tomorrow to straighten this out.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Tractor Man's Comment
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Did you log out of the QC when you went off duty? Do you slip seat by any chance? Was your truck in the shop? At swift we are always reminded to LOG OFF of the QC completely when the truck is in shop status.

Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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Did you log out of the QC when you went off duty? Do you slip seat by any chance? Was your truck in the shop? At swift we are always reminded to LOG OFF of the QC completely when the truck is in shop status.

Nope, truck is always in my possession. Parked in my driveway, or I am parked in the seat. :)

Tractor Man's Comment
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I'm sure you'll get it straightened out. The QC in my tractor will certainly remind me if I am approaching any HOS violation of any sort. Let us know the verdict!

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HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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Turns out that the period they are flagging includes when I was at the terminal testing out to get my truck.

They had me turn in a paper log for 4 days with 4 hours per day but never added that to My elog account, so while I didn’t see any violations, they did.

The only legitimate violation is when I drove bobtail to my trailer ( 10 minutes) and then showed a pretrip. Apparently that is a no no.

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

Elog:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Army 's Comment
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So lemme ask, would you then just not log a pretrip on your trailer? If that was the case, how would you protect yourself from trailer issues if you "technically" did not do a pretrip on the trailer when you picked it up? I was worked for lawyers for 19 years, so I always look for the other side..what if's.

∆_Danielsahn_∆'s Comment
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So lemme ask, would you then just not log a pretrip on your trailer? If that was the case, how would you protect yourself from trailer issues if you "technically" did not do a pretrip on the trailer when you picked it up? I was worked for lawyers for 19 years, so I always look for the other side..what if's.

I log pre-trip at start of day. If I pick up a new trailer after that, I log it as an inter-trip inspection, and notate accordingly.

G-Town's Comment
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Army wrote:

So lemme ask, would you then just not log a pretrip on your trailer? If that was the case, how would you protect yourself from trailer issues if you "technically" did not do a pretrip on the trailer when you picked it up? I was worked for lawyers for 19 years, so I always look for the other side..what if's.

This is actually an interesting variant of PTI that I deal with every day...

- All of our tractors are parked at the WMDC, as well as the trailers. Depending on what I'm dispatched on (dry or reefer), it can be up to a 1/4 mile drive to grap the loaded trailer. Here is how I deal with this; I pre-trip the tractor first (noted specifically in the comments), usually takes 15 minutes, then I drive to the trailer lot, look it over really quick before I get under it, once coupled with service and air-lines attached, I perform a thorough PTI on the trailer and also note that I am performing the trailer PTI. This process is acceptable to both DOT and Swift Logs Dept.

- At times I will have three different trailers for one dispatched run. Each trailer requires a PTI and is noted "as-such" in my logs.

Like other aspects of trucking, many times how a particular task is performed can be job specific.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Reefer:

A refrigerated trailer.

Army 's Comment
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So I guess am confused on what Grumpy's violation was...and maybe we will wait for him to reply. ...... I will make a guess here, Grumpy did you do a PRETRIP on the tractor after you moved it to get the trailer and you pre tripped them together? Please don't think of my question as highlighting a mistake, just trying to understand. Thanks

Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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So I guess am confused on what Grumpy's violation was...and maybe we will wait for him to reply. ...... I will make a guess here, Grumpy did you do a PRETRIP on the tractor after you moved it to get the trailer and you pre tripped them together? Please don't think of my question as highlighting a mistake, just trying to understand. Thanks

That is exactly what I did. Made more sense to me to combine them. They didn’t say it was necessarily a violation, just that their software is programmed to flag drive time without a pretrip.

GTown, is logging the trailer pretrip required by DOT? I always pretrip and postrip my trailers but have never logged it.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

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