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Roy B.'s Comment
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So I posted a while ago about failing a hair follicle test when I went to Schnieder for their pre-employment orientation. As it turned out, the chemical that your body produces when you take cocaine can be transferred through saliva. My wife had an addiction for almost a year , she's been clean for 8 months now, but the by product chemical evidently got into my system. So now, they can't report it to DOT , but they can put it on my DAC report, and they can report that I I was fired for violation to company policy. If I go through sap treatment that's like admitting that I've actually done drugs, where that might help me get a job, it still basically says hey I did this even when I didn't. I had a company ready to hire me until they checked with Schneider, and because of their company policy I have to drive for somebody else for a year before they will hire me. The company I currently work for has me in class B trucks more than in class A trucks, and as I recently found out is not reporting miles to the DAC report. They're not even really tracking them other than my electronic logbook. The last OTR company I worked for was 16 years ago ,and I didn't get my CDL back until this last December. Because of the lapse I'm treated as a inexperienced driver as well as the failed hair follicle test. Does anybody know any company that actually takes you at your word, I would be willing to do urinalysis drug test every two weeks at my own expense just to prove to people I don't do drugs. A lot of hurdles to get over, and I have a feeling that by the time I can do it I'm going to be 60 years old. The only way I can think that any of this will work out is if I can find a smaller OTR company to drive for for a year so that I can go to one of the bigger companies later. Any helpful comments would be appreciated.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Logbook:

A written or electronic record of a driver's duty status which must be maintained at all times. The driver records the amount of time spent driving, on-duty not driving, in the sleeper berth, or off duty. The enforcement of the Hours Of Service Rules (HOS) are based upon the entries put in a driver's logbook.

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

Old School's Comment
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Does anybody know any company that actually takes you at your word

Roy, that just doesn't make sense. Of course all of them will take your word, but by federal law they have got to verify it. Unfortunately drug testing is the way they verify what you're saying.

Imagine this scenario. Let's pretend you are the employer. A really nice responsible seeming fellow comes to you for a job. You discover he failed a hair follicle pre-employment drug test at Schneider. But, you take him at his word - he says, "I've never taken drugs. My problem is I've been kissing this girl who does cocaine." You decide, that's fair enough. You give him a job, and two years later he has a bad wreck. People are killed in the wreck. Lawyers are hired. Through their investigation they find you were willing to hire somebody with a failed drug test. You are in some really deep doo-doo now. Nobody is going to put themselves on the line like that for you.

Roy, you're in a pickle. The SAP program is your only hope, but I'm being honest with you when I say the SAP program labels you, and it really doesn't help you get back into trucking. I know I'm not being encouraging, but you've got a steep mountain ahead of you. I can force myself to believe your story, but I can't come up with a good resolution for you.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Roy B.'s Comment
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The problem with all of this, is I understand exactly what you're talking about. When I said take them at their word it was more of somebody's willingness to submit to whatever testing they wanted done to prove that they're not a risk. But lawyers are ruthless oh, and I completely understand the risk anybody would have to take.

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Does anybody know any company that actually takes you at your word

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Roy, that just doesn't make sense. Of course all of them will take your word, but by federal law they have got to verify it. Unfortunately drug testing is the way they verify what you're saying.

Imagine this scenario. Let's pretend you are the employer. A really nice responsible seeming fellow comes to you for a job. You discover he failed a hair follicle pre-employment drug test at Schneider. But, you take him at his word - he says, "I've never taken drugs. My problem is I've been kissing this girl who does cocaine." You decide, that's fair enough. You give him a job, and two years later he has a bad wreck. People are killed in the wreck. Lawyers are hired. Through their investigation they find you were willing to hire somebody with a failed drug test. You are in some really deep doo-doo now. Nobody is going to put themselves on the line like that for you.

Roy, you're in a pickle. The SAP program is your only hope, but I'm being honest with you when I say the SAP program labels you, and it really doesn't help you get back into trucking. I know I'm not being encouraging, but you've got a steep mountain ahead of you. I can force myself to believe your story, but I can't come up with a good resolution for you.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

Old School's Comment
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Roy, I wish I could help. You're just in a bad situation. I don't know what to suggest. Hopefully some of our members, who are smarter than me, can give some helpful advice.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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I've never found an answer for someone who has failed a drug test. I've been getting emails for 12 years saying, "I failed a drug test, who will hire me?" I really don't know. All you can do is call every company on Earth and hope someone will give you a shot, but I have very little hope you'll have much luck anytime soon. Most companies will require a number of years to have passed since you've failed a drug test, if they'll hire anyone who has ever failed one.

Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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I've never found an answer for someone who has failed a drug test. I've been getting emails for 12 years saying, "I failed a drug test, who will hire me?" I really don't know. All you can do is call every company on Earth and hope someone will give you a shot, but I have very little hope you'll have much luck anytime soon. Most companies will require a number of years to have passed since you've failed a drug test, if they'll hire anyone who has ever failed one.

We had a member on this forum who failed a Non DOT drug test. She lied to Prime about it, and they found out and sent her home. Only PAM and CR England were willing to take her. She went to PAM I think for schooling.

She eventually got hired at Roehl.

But she lied to Prime, so I don't know if she was honest with the others. And it was Non DOT. So I dont know if that makes a difference. To my knowledge she didn't do a SAP. I know she did get hired cause she posted the pictures and videos online.

Try those and see what they say.

Good luck

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Roy B.'s Comment
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Thank you very much, I actually thought about Pam, Stevens Transport and some of the other companies that hire directly out of school.

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I've never found an answer for someone who has failed a drug test. I've been getting emails for 12 years saying, "I failed a drug test, who will hire me?" I really don't know. All you can do is call every company on Earth and hope someone will give you a shot, but I have very little hope you'll have much luck anytime soon. Most companies will require a number of years to have passed since you've failed a drug test, if they'll hire anyone who has ever failed one.

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We had a member on this forum who failed a Non DOT drug test. She lied to Prime about it, and they found out and sent her home. Only PAM and CR England were willing to take her. She went to PAM I think for schooling.

She eventually got hired at Roehl.

But she lied to Prime, so I don't know if she was honest with the others. And it was Non DOT. So I dont know if that makes a difference. To my knowledge she didn't do a SAP. I know she did get hired cause she posted the pictures and videos online.

Try those and see what they say.

Good luck

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Roy B.'s Comment
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Although expensive, and I'm sure I don't know where to start, would owning my own truck in signing up with a Consortium for testing be a way to alleviate this problem?

PackRat's Comment
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No, the insurance would be more than money than the freight paid, IF you could get a broker to use your services.

Diver Driver's Comment
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As it turned out, the chemical that your body produces when you take cocaine can be transferred through saliva. .

So wait.... we're supposed to believe that you popped on a drug screen because you swapped spit with your wife !? rofl-2.gifrofl-1.gifrofl-3.gif

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