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Roy B.'s Comment
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I don't expect you to believe me, although it was over the colors of a year not just one time kissing her. The first time I posted about failing the test everybody on this site and people in real life accused me of actually doing it, including people who have known me my entire life, and know that I don't even take aspirin. It's extremely depressing when you tell the truth, and everybody calls you a liar. But that's okay human nature not to believe anybody because everybody's better than everybody else.

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As it turned out, the chemical that your body produces when you take cocaine can be transferred through saliva. .

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So wait.... we're supposed to believe that you popped on a drug screen because you swapped spit with your wife !? rofl-2.gifrofl-1.gifrofl-3.gif

Old School's Comment
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But that's okay human nature not to believe anybody because everybody's better than everybody else.

Don't start acting like you can accuse everybody of elitism Roy. You have a very strange and bizarre story. We're all working professional driving jobs, and passing our drug tests. You can't seem to muster even one out of the two.

You can believe whatever you seem to want to. You've come up with several explanations for this failed test. This is your latest. We have about as little to offer you, as you have to offer any reputable trucking companies. You shouldn't be indignant when people raise their eyebrow or roll their eyes at this latest revelation you've come up with for why you failed a drug test.

EPU:

Electric Auxiliary Power Units

Electric APUs have started gaining acceptance. These electric APUs use battery packs instead of the diesel engine on traditional APUs as a source of power. The APU's battery pack is charged when the truck is in motion. When the truck is idle, the stored energy in the battery pack is then used to power an air conditioner, heater, and other devices

Rick S.'s Comment
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This is kinda funny.

I've done some research previously on this. Your wife essentially had to be Pablito Escobar, for you to get enough exposure to metabolites for them exceed the threshold for a screening.

That and if she's been clean for 8 months, and the hair test (typically) tests for the last 90 days of use (1.5" of hair at 1/2" growth per month is the standard), the timelines STILL don't match up.

I'm not outwardly calling you a liar (well, not screaming it) and false positives happen occasionally.

From your first post here 3 months ago:

Hey drivers gamma got a really weird thing here and I don't know how to proceed. I've never done drugs in my life, I drove over the road back in 2003 I know the importance of a clean drug test, so I don't even allow it in my house or around me. Went to go for pre-employment with a company and tested positive for cocaine. Even the drugs that my friends do aren't cocaine, how in the hell did it get in my system, and how do I fight this?

So you figured out your wife was doing blow (was she smoking, shooting or snorting?), and somehow you get enough of her saliva into your system to trigger a positive in a hair sample from the metabolites in her saliva.

If she was smoking it, and blowing it in your face while you were sleeping (crackheads will be crackheads you know), you might have gotten enough into your system.

The hair tests are sensitive, but they have a threshold below which, positives are ignored.

I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around this. The only thing that comes to mind, would be an unintentional (on your part) intentional (on your wifes part) exposure to cocaine in order to screw you up (there, I gave you another possible excuse).

Did you get the divorce yet?

Have you checked your DAC to see if it was reported? At the current time - hair is PRE-EMPLOYMENT, not DOT SANCTIONED. Technically - since you were NOT EMPLOYED by Schneider, they may (or may not) have reported it on the DAC. Typically - you get through orientation, physical, drug screen, etc. - and are offered employment. You aren't an employee - until you are ON PAYROLL.

Now - we NEVER ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO LIE HERE - BUT - if you never got HIRED then they weren't an employer. If it isn't on the DAC (and enough time has passed where it should show up) you could roll the dice and try another employer.

Keeping in mind, getting caught LYING (especially about a failed drug screen) is as bad as FAILING A DRUG SCREEN.

Otherwise - you can try doing the FMCSA SAP/Return To Work Protocol (which again, is technically not justified, because hair is not an FMCSA sanctioned method of testing), and go with a "2nd Chance Company". But the SAP isn't cheap, and the odds are still low that you will get a hire.

Someone with YEARS OF EXPERIENCE - that has on "oops" and does SAP has a better chance of getting BACK IN, than someone who was NEVER IN in the first place.

It's a Catch 22, and if you are one of the STATISTICALLY LOW NUMBER of people who were ACTUALLY 150% CLEAN, yet threw a positive - you just may be out of luck in getting behind the wheel.

But the timeline and saliva thing from kissing the wife, just doesn't seem to add up. If I'm wrong - I apologize. If I'm right, NICE TRY!

Rick

Over The Road:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
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SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Rob T.'s Comment
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But the timeline and saliva thing from kissing the wife, just doesn't seem to add up. If I'm wrong - I apologize. If I'm right, NICE TRY!

he also used the excuse of liver enzymes in that previous post so who knows the true story. I also find it hard to believe saliva would cause a hair test to come back positive.

If you indeed didnt do anything I sincerely apologize, however you gotta admit the whole story seems far fetched. I wish you luck Roy.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Rick S.'s Comment
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he also used the excuse of liver enzymes in that previous post so who knows the true story. I also find it hard to believe saliva would cause a hair test to come back positive.

If you indeed didnt do anything I sincerely apologize, however you gotta admit the whole story seems far fetched. I wish you luck Roy.

Tell you a story (actually, a couple).

I'm in recovery for many years now - and I've helped more than a couple of people get clean.

Had a girl(friend), that I was detoxing with suboxone. I gave her one (dissolves under the tongue), and about 1/2 hour later we got down to the nasty. After swapping spit with her - I FELT THE EFFECT of exposure to the Subox. So you CAN catch a contact - but the circumstances have to be PERFECT to do so.

So, if his wife was SMOKING CRACK and he was getting it on with her on a really regular basis WHILE she was smoking (or even SNORTING), there is a chance of exposure in saliva - to ACTUAL COCAINE (not metabolites). Metabolites, are what is left of the substance AFTER the body processes the drug. The chance of a DOUBLE EXPOSURE and the body shedding the metabolites to the point where they will exceed the threshold of a positive, is statistically incredibly rare. Not that it could NEVER HAPPEN (with metabolites), but it would be one that should get written up in medical journals.

OTOH - while coke addicts do much to hide the fact that they're using - if you're MARRIED AND INTIMATE WITH ONE, it doesn't take much to figure them out. He claimed to be divorcing her, because of her substance addiction - which to me would indicate that she was pretty bad. Once doesn't dump a spouse, because she snorts the occasional rail - they have to be irretrievably f'd up with a history of it, to just give up on them. So it's likely he knew she had an issue - even if he wasn't cognizant of the fact that it could have EXPOSED HIM to the substance also. But the use would have to be pretty extensive as well as his intimate contact - for him to have enough exposure to trip a screening.

I was on probation (2nd story - LOL) over 30 years ago, for crack. And I used to drop urines every wednesday. I would smoke like an Indian Chief till 6AM sunday morning, then go drop clean wednesday afternoon. Then, after I quit (like 3 weeks after), I drop a hot one. Now, I was SET UP - because my GF and roommate were both still using, both dropped hot - and the PO's get their heads together and decided that I must be using too. They never showed me the results - just violated me. And I was REALLY ANGRY - because I had "gotten away with it", and there was no way a "3 weeks clean" crackhead could drop dirty. haven't touched the stuff since.

But yet and still - regardless of the OP's circumstances (true or not), he has some HUGE HURDLES to jump over to get behind the wheel. And he may or may not be able to overcome them. If he's really being honest, I feel bad for him - sucks to get jammed up over someone elses addiction. If he's lying, well DOOM ON YOU then.

We've seen enough people in the decade I've been here, that wander in after failing. I don't think we've EVER HEARD ONE COME BACK after jumping through the hoops required - that got back behind the wheel. As I've mentioned before - I HAVE HEARD of folks with years of incident free driving, that had a "momentary lapse of reason" and went through SAP and get back into their original company. NEVER HEARD of one that got jammed up trying to GET INTO the industry and actually made it in.

Rick

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Roy B.'s Comment
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I had known something was up, she lost so much weight over the course of a year, and we were constantly fighting over her not coming home, me not knowing where she was going, or the friends that she was with. Her blowing through my money on a regular basis. Then I started finding crack pipes, and later hypodermic needles. At the time her mom was still alive and living with us oh, and I had packed up all my clothes and left assuming that as long as my mother-in-law was still in the house my son would be okay even if I was gone. And I had every intention of leaving. Then my son called me and begged me to come home. But it was that night that finally sent a message to her that I was done with all this BS, and she's been clean since so she says. For the first couple months afterwards I would search through the house and through things oh, and not find any evidence of it. So she either got a lot better at hiding it, or she's actually clean now. But now her mother is passed away so if I leave my autistic 16 year old is left alone with her. All of that is to say yes I knew something was going on, I knew it was getting bad, but I had no idea that it would affect me personally when it came to drug tests or anything. I reaped the benefits of an overactive sex drive, but other than that it's been nothing but fighting for almost two years. My car got repossessed oh, because she was spending the money needed to pay for it.

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he also used the excuse of liver enzymes in that previous post so who knows the true story. I also find it hard to believe saliva would cause a hair test to come back positive.

If you indeed didnt do anything I sincerely apologize, however you gotta admit the whole story seems far fetched. I wish you luck Roy.

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Tell you a story (actually, a couple).

I'm in recovery for many years now - and I've helped more than a couple of people get clean.

Had a girl(friend), that I was detoxing with suboxone. I gave her one (dissolves under the tongue), and about 1/2 hour later we got down to the nasty. After swapping spit with her - I FELT THE EFFECT of exposure to the Subox. So you CAN catch a contact - but the circumstances have to be PERFECT to do so.

So, if his wife was SMOKING CRACK and he was getting it on with her on a really regular basis WHILE she was smoking (or even SNORTING), there is a chance of exposure in saliva - to ACTUAL COCAINE (not metabolites). Metabolites, are what is left of the substance AFTER the body processes the drug. The chance of a DOUBLE EXPOSURE and the body shedding the metabolites to the point where they will exceed the threshold of a positive, is statistically incredibly rare. Not that it could NEVER HAPPEN (with metabolites), but it would be one that should get written up in medical journals.

OTOH - while coke addicts do much to hide the fact that they're using - if you're MARRIED AND INTIMATE WITH ONE, it doesn't take much to figure them out. He claimed to be divorcing her, because of her substance addiction - which to me would indicate that she was pretty bad. Once doesn't dump a spouse, because she snorts the occasional rail - they have to be irretrievably f'd up with a history of it, to just give up on them. So it's likely he knew she had an issue - even if he wasn't cognizant of the fact that it could have EXPOSED HIM to the substance also. But the use would have to be pretty extensive as well as his intimate contact - for him to have enough exposure to trip a screening.

I was on probation (2nd story - LOL) over 30 years ago, for crack. And I used to drop urines every wednesday. I would smoke like an Indian Chief till 6AM sunday morning, then go drop clean wednesday afternoon. Then, after I quit (like 3 weeks after), I drop a hot one. Now, I was SET UP - because my GF and roommate were both still using, both dropped hot - and the PO's get their heads together and decided that I must be using too. They never showed me the results - just violated me. And I was REALLY ANGRY - because I had "gotten away with it", and there was no way a "3 weeks clean" crackhead could drop dirty. haven't touched the stuff since.

But yet and still - regardless of the OP's circumstances (true or not), he has some HUGE HURDLES to jump over to get behind the wheel. And he may or may not be able to overcome them. If he's really being honest, I feel bad for him - sucks to get jammed up over someone elses addiction. If he's lying, well DOOM ON YOU then.

We've seen enough people in the decade I've been here, that wander in after failing. I don't think we've EVER HEARD ONE COME BACK after jumping through the hoops required - that got back behind the wheel. As I've mentioned before - I HAVE HEARD of folks with years of incident free driving, that had a "momentary lapse of reason" and went through SAP and get back into their original company. NEVER HEARD of one that got jammed up trying to GET INTO the industry and actually made it in.

Rick

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Ice cream man's Comment
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Ok First off trucking is no place for drugs but based on research I did on this. This may be true if his wife was snorting it and he was kissing her the drip from the sinus down the the throat would have cocaine in it but you would have to be kissing her a whole lot to pop on a test . If she was clean for 8 mouths then there should not be a problem. Cocaine should be out of a user system in one to two mouths after last use so for you should have been one to weeks sorry it just does not add up. Best of luck to you and Ps if someone in your life is a user don’t kiss them it’s your job and life in your hands

Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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Sorry, but I’m still not buying that your wife’s saliva showed up as cocaine in your system. Unless she had a mouthful of coke while you were kissing her, which you then swallowed.

I did a lot of research on hair tests, and they are pretty much foolproof to detect a regular user. A one or two time user, especially immediately prior to the test, not do much.

The 90 day figure is based on the employer testing only 1.5 inches of hair and/or the employee only having that much hair. If you have been clean for 90 days but have 6 inches of hair, AND they test all 6 inches, you will show positive.

Conversely, if you use for a week and then get tested, you could come up clean because the hair that shows use is still under the scalp.

But the bottom line is, it doesn’t matter, either way, you are SOL, most likely.

Rick S.'s Comment
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I had known something was up, she lost so much weight over the course of a year, and we were constantly fighting over her not coming home, me not knowing where she was going, or the friends that she was with. Her blowing through my money on a regular basis. Then I started finding crack pipes, and later hypodermic needles. At the time her mom was still alive and living with us oh, and I had packed up all my clothes and left assuming that as long as my mother-in-law was still in the house my son would be okay even if I was gone. And I had every intention of leaving. Then my son called me and begged me to come home. But it was that night that finally sent a message to her that I was done with all this BS, and she's been clean since so she says. For the first couple months afterwards I would search through the house and through things oh, and not find any evidence of it. So she either got a lot better at hiding it, or she's actually clean now. But now her mother is passed away so if I leave my autistic 16 year old is left alone with her. All of that is to say yes I knew something was going on, I knew it was getting bad, but I had no idea that it would affect me personally when it came to drug tests or anything. I reaped the benefits of an overactive sex drive, but other than that it's been nothing but fighting for almost two years. My car got repossessed oh, because she was spending the money needed to pay for it.

Assuming this is true - I feel for you. Though you gotta love the "benefits of an overactive sex drive". I'd go get screened for communicable diseases - as addicts (especially females) will "do what they need to do - with who they need to do it with - to get what they need". Not trying to be overly harsh here - this is the voice of PERSONAL EXPERIENCE speaking. I've seen some of the most together women get sucked into this hole, and find it shocking how bad they get. And the recidivism versus long-term recovery rate is DISMAL.

It also becomes more plausible that you had an unintended exposure to ACTUAL COCAINE - she does a couple of hits in the bathroom then comes out to do the nasty with you - and there's ACTUAL COCAINE in her mouth and saliva, possibly enough to throw a positive that exceeds the threshold for a hair test. And this would possibly be some long-term exposure, depending on her use and behavior.

With the shedding/replacement rate of hair (in general), she may or may not have been clean as long as you think (aka: she got better at hiding it - crackheads are devious and cunning animals) - and you may have been continued to be exposed in the "time window" that the hair test covered.

Sorry to hear about your son - it puts you in an even worse position to try and go OTR , where the stress of maintaining a special needs child, doesn't bode well for a person with substance abuse issues, who is fairly new in recovery. And basically, if you're going to go OTR, you WILL BE LEAVING your son with her - so if that's an issue - this may not be the right time (or trade) for you to be considering at the moment.

Relapses are (unfortunately) very very common, and people usually pick up where they left off - so if they were bad when they stopped, they will be just as bad (or worse) when they pick up again.

Again - the voice of PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HERE. And if she's NOT GETTING HELP (meetings, counseling, etc.) her chances of staying clean are worse still.

So you've got a lot on your plate - not the least of which, is overcoming a positive drug screen. I (personally) wouldn't leave a newly recovering crackhead (and whatever else she was doing with syringes, which takes crackheadism to the next level) home alone for extended periods of OTR driving with a special needs child.

Addicts aren't BAD PEOPLE (for the most part) trying to be GOOD - they are SICK PEOPLE trying to get better. While I know many many people with long-term recovery, I know 100X more that just don't get it.

I had a roommate in 1/2-way 30 years ago. I NEVER had to go back to 1/2-way - he's been back there (and to JAIL) a 1/2 dozen times. He puts together a couple of years - then goes out on a tear - each one worse than the last. Seen him go from 2 cars in the garage, to clothes on his back in the mugshots more than once.

I'm leaning a little more towards believing your "tale of woe", but for the most part - you really are SCREWED...

Rick

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Seabee-J's Comment
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Not the craziest story i've heard. Some years back we had a Master Chief who popped positive for cocaine on a random test . Navy does random tests monthly so using is well , difficult as they WILL get caught . Well this Chief appeals it by giving the story that their SO was putting it on his member when they were having relations on a regular basis , all this was unknown to this person apparently but was said to really enhance the experience. Anyway wound up winning the appeal and was able to transfer commands and retire with full benefits after 30yrs . I'm not saying this guy is 100% telling the whole story but I cant out right dismiss it either. I'm not sure if he's able to take any legal action or what it would cost in this case but yea hes in a lousy spot .

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