Non-employee Failed Non-DOT Hair Test At Company Sponsored CDL Training

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TechnoMattic's Comment
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I failed the non-DOT hair test while going to company sponsored CDL school. I had taken a hair test on my own 2 weeks prior to that and was negative after abstaining for 5-6 months, so I thought I'd be fine for the preemployment hair test, but I wasn't. Please don't tell me I should've done this or shouldn't have done that.

Anyway, will this still go on my DAC and screw me even though I wasn't an employee? Since it was non-DOT, will it still be reported as a failed drug screen? Will it totally screw me? Or is it worth paying my way through private CDL school and trying to find a local class A or B job with a small local company? I just want some closure and to figure out if I should forget about this industry entirely, I asked my recruiter some of these questions but I'm not getting answers. I know there is zero tolerance for drug use, but it just crushes me that something I did 5+ months in the past can 100% f*** me for the rest of my life.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

Old School's Comment
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TechnoMattic, I'm really sorry to hear your dilemma. It's going to be a serious problem. I can't answer you about your DAC report. Basically these companies can put what they want on your DAC report. I know if you get sent home from a company sponsored training program you will usually not be able to go through another one. You are also going to have to answer questions from now on wanting to know if you ever failed a drug test. How are you going to answer that one?

This is one of those really difficult situations to find yourself in. I hope you can get past it. Have you considered a SAP program? I think I would start there. It may be your only chance to clear this up. There are large national carriers who will hire you, but they may want to see that you are serious about this, and going through that SAP program will help establish that fact. Here's a link to some information concerning the SAP program's "return to duty" process.

Return To Duty Process After Failing A Drug Test

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Company Sponsored Training:

A Company-Sponsored Training Program is a school that is owned and operated by a trucking company.

The schooling often requires little or no money up front. Instead of paying up-front tuition you will sign an agreement to work for the company for a specified amount of time after graduation, usually around a year, at a slightly lower rate of pay in order to pay for the training.

If you choose to quit working for the company before your year is up, they will normally require you to pay back a prorated amount of money for the schooling. The amount you pay back will be comparable to what you would have paid if you went to an independently owned school.

Company-sponsored training can be an excellent way to get your career underway if you can't afford the tuition up front for private schooling.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Tammy A.'s Comment
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OMG that sucks. 5 months? I quit weed because of the drug test and I figured 3 months was enough time. I dont drink or do anything else but weed helped me sleep. really dont like it but its legal so I started smoking last year for the hell of it and now **** your saying 5 months? Now im scared. wth you can drink and do drugs because they dont stay in your system. This really is scaring me. I dont want to wait another 3 months. WTH

TechnoMattic, I'm really sorry to hear your dilemma. It's going to be a serious problem. I can't answer you about your DAC report. Basically these companies can put what they want on your DAC report. I know if you get sent home from a company sponsored training program you will usually not be able to go through another one. You are also going to have to answer questions from now on wanting to know if you ever failed a drug test. How are you going to answer that one?

This is one of those really difficult situations to find yourself in. I hope you can get past it. Have you considered a SAP program? I think I would start there. It may be your only chance to clear this up. There are large national carriers who will hire you, but they may want to see that you are serious about this, and going through that SAP program will help establish that fact. Here's a link to some information concerning the SAP program's "return to duty" process.

Return To Duty Process After Failing A Drug Test

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Company Sponsored Training:

A Company-Sponsored Training Program is a school that is owned and operated by a trucking company.

The schooling often requires little or no money up front. Instead of paying up-front tuition you will sign an agreement to work for the company for a specified amount of time after graduation, usually around a year, at a slightly lower rate of pay in order to pay for the training.

If you choose to quit working for the company before your year is up, they will normally require you to pay back a prorated amount of money for the schooling. The amount you pay back will be comparable to what you would have paid if you went to an independently owned school.

Company-sponsored training can be an excellent way to get your career underway if you can't afford the tuition up front for private schooling.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
IDMtnGal 's Comment
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Tammy, not all companies do the hair test. However, if you are concerned, go have your hair tested.

Laura

Tammy A.'s Comment
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Its only been a couple months so maybe by the time i get things ready here ill be ok. i kind of miss it it helped me sleep good but getitng my cdl' ls important to me

Tammy, not all companies do the hair test. However, if you are concerned, go have your hair tested.

Laura

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Anne A. (G13Momcat)'s Comment
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Tammy, not all companies do the hair test. However, if you are concerned, go have your hair tested.

Laura

Its only been a couple months so maybe by the time i get things ready here ill be ok. i kind of miss it it helped me sleep good but getitng my cdl' ls important to me

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Tammy, not all companies do the hair test. However, if you are concerned, go have your hair tested.

Laura

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Agreed.

Make sure you get something accredited; apparently, Techno's home test didn't work! If nothing else, take MORE time, like as in November, as you'd mentioned elsewhere.

Melatonin with chamomile tea helps my driver sleep; all CDL legal, too.. just a suggestion.

Best wishes, ma'am. You sound serious & determined about this! Laura is a great mentor/mantra . . read her full story, someday!!

~ Anne ~

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Stevo Reno's Comment
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I heard our company CRST is now joining that hair test group and I think are on the CPAP train also ( Things I've heard haven't verified)

CPAP:

Constant Positive Airway Pressure

CPAP is a breathing assist device which is worn over the mouth or nose. It provides nighttime relief for individuals who suffer from Sleep Apnea.

Mikey B.'s Comment
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I heard our company CRST is now joining that hair test group and I think are on the CPAP train also ( Things I've heard haven't verified)

Well that is too bad. I personally think the whole CPAP deal is just the latest cash cow for the medical industry. Some actually need it but most are scammed into getting tested because they snore or have a thick neck or have really good insurance. SCAM. (My personal opinion only, I am not affiliated with the CPAP test industry in any way, my views are not necessarily shared by the OP or any commenters, I assume no liability for my views) sorry, that last part is usually necessary these days..lol...but not lol.

CPAP:

Constant Positive Airway Pressure

CPAP is a breathing assist device which is worn over the mouth or nose. It provides nighttime relief for individuals who suffer from Sleep Apnea.

Tammy A.'s Comment
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Yes I am very determined! He said 5_6 months I read 3 months. November was the plan but Im not going to ruin my opportunity over weed id be a fool. am going to ask my doctor to test me. She thinks weed has alot of benefits so I know she will make sure there is no trace before i take the test. I feel so bad for the OP. All that time and then a kick in the face. Thats awful. I bet if your on all kinds of psyc. meds then thats ok. It is what it is i guess.

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Tammy, not all companies do the hair test. However, if you are concerned, go have your hair tested.

Laura

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Its only been a couple months so maybe by the time i get things ready here ill be ok. i kind of miss it it helped me sleep good but getitng my cdl' ls important to me

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Tammy, not all companies do the hair test. However, if you are concerned, go have your hair tested.

Laura

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Agreed.

Make sure you get something accredited; apparently, Techno's home test didn't work! If nothing else, take MORE time, like as in November, as you'd mentioned elsewhere.

Melatonin with chamomile tea helps my driver sleep; all CDL legal, too.. just a suggestion.

Best wishes, ma'am. You sound serious & determined about this! Laura is a great mentor/mantra . . read her full story, someday!!

~ Anne ~

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Old School's Comment
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I bet if your on all kinds of psyc. meds then thats ok.

Why would you make such a statement? In fact, we have had a lot of folks needing our help because of their medications. This is a safety related position. You will need to be highly aware of that. Consequently it is highly regulated. While weed is legal in certain areas it is not allowed by the FMCSA. It is also important to remember you will probably be random tested. I was tested about nine times during my first two years at Knight. A positive drug test is the kiss of death in this industry. The hair test has been problematic for a lot of folks. It is always best to give yourself a good nine months to a year of distance from weed if you want to get your foot in the door.

I'm not intending to debate the merits of weed or psychotropic medications, but both of them can keep you out of trucking. Even an anti seizure medication might keep you out. We have to list all our medications when we take our physical. Everything about us is highly monitored because of the safety sensitiveness of the job.

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
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